Bib parc fermé ride height trick

[Cs98]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-jo ... /10666271/

this article is important because it definetely confirm that some previous RB employer confirm the use of the trick during parc ferme . Remarkably not nugnes speculation: indirectly but robust confirm by tombazis statements. Then Tombazis add that "Well, we must always consider that we are dealing with human beings. We are dealing with changing situations, with people with old and new loyalties. It's not our intention to go as far as using lie detectors or subjecting people to interrogations with lights shining in their faces or anything like that. That is not what we want: I have worked in several teams and hired technicians from other teams. Sometimes there is a tendency to want to spill the beans on what one did before, but I realised that sometimes you have to interpret these comments very carefully. And you can't just build accusations on comments like that."
That can be uderstood (or not...it depends) but he definetely confirm that such accusations exist and for sure it is not a nothingburger. Here we are talking not of small guys it is people like Rob Marshall who have reputation to defend.
From tombazis word we can guess that FIA does not want to proceed but, if there are declaration fron Marshall and other of this level, we can for sure think that in the pitlane they consider RB cheating as very near to absolutely certain

False accusations from people with opposing interests have never occurred, oh wait. The timing is a little conspicuous don't you think? These employees have been at McLaren for quite a while now, at least the entire season. You telling me they've been sitting on this information watching the championship slip out of their hands and then suddenly got really motivated to tell on RBR? Strange how that came right after they were caught red handed with the wings. Maybe Zak got a bit upset and gave them some special incentives to "remember" something that may or may not have really occurred. Anyways, without physical evidence or video of them doing something in parc fermé, nothing will come of it.

FIA is a bunch of clowns. Investigate like you did other teams in the past. Enough with these nonsense catering excuses.

Especially when this team went from dominating to being 3rd best car in space of a handful of races, you have whistleblowers… what more do you need to investigate?

That timeline makes no sense. The accusations started around Singapore, long after RB started having issues with their car. If anything their car has been better in the two races since the accusations emerged.

[stewie325]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-jo ... /10666271/

this article is important because it definetely confirm that some previous RB employer confirm the use of the trick during parc ferme . Remarkably not nugnes speculation: indirectly but robust confirm by tombazis statements. Then Tombazis add that "Well, we must always consider that we are dealing with human beings. We are dealing with changing situations, with people with old and new loyalties. It's not our intention to go as far as using lie detectors or subjecting people to interrogations with lights shining in their faces or anything like that. That is not what we want: I have worked in several teams and hired technicians from other teams. Sometimes there is a tendency to want to spill the beans on what one did before, but I realised that sometimes you have to interpret these comments very carefully. And you can't just build accusations on comments like that."
That can be uderstood (or not...it depends) but he definetely confirm that such accusations exist and for sure it is not a nothingburger. Here we are talking not of small guys it is people like Rob Marshall who have reputation to defend.
From tombazis word we can guess that FIA does not want to proceed but, if there are declaration fron Marshall and other of this level, we can for sure think that in the pitlane they consider RB cheating as very near to absolutely certain

On a side note, regardless of what actually happened with bib-gate, if former employees rat our their old teams for cheating, they should also be punished with a temporary ban from the sport. Because they were complicit in the hypothetical situation but didn't say anything at the time.

I read these situations quite similarly to crash-gate, when a number of Renault employees knew what happened but kept hush until it was all revealed by Nelsinho.

[chrisc90]

There’s probably NDA’s signed too depending on the profile of the team member leaving

[Watto]

I think the accusation by former employees certainly needs to be taken more seriously. And at the very least the FIA needs to ask more questions. Interview ex employees at other teams to see if their stories all add up. Depending how that goes I guess depends on how deep the FIA should dig. Could it be an ex employee that it trying to help their new team by the assusations even if untrue? Or was it an ex employee that knew what was going on and told once they jumped ship did they know for certain it was happening or was it somthing outside their area off expertise and misunderstood. Certainly though it adds a far more serious light to it all. Is the emplyee prepared to go to the FIA and sign off that they and/or RBR intentionally broke the rules if proven to be inaccurate then a penalty applies to them

[dren]

FIA is a bunch of clowns. Investigate like you did other teams in the past. Enough with these nonsense catering excuses.

Especially when this team went from dominating to being 3rd best car in space of a handful of races, you have whistleblowers… what more do you need to investigate?

I don't think this bib thing was the reason for them dropping relative to the others. They simply could just set the car up for race pace and still qualify high, but maybe not front row, and still win races. Their qualy pace and race pace has taken a hit.

[taperoo2k]

There’s probably NDA’s signed too depending on the profile of the team member leaving

Under specific circumstances in UK law an NDA can be broken i.e.
Whistle blowing or reporting a crime. If say you sold a story to the press with evidence to back
certain claims up then it could be argued you sold a companies IP/Data then I think an NDA can be enforced.

Put simply don't expect anyone to whistle blow anytime soon, especially if they want to keep working in
F1.

[Big Tea]

There’s probably NDA’s signed too depending on the profile of the team member leaving

I am surprised they grassed up anyway, I would be concerned about my next change of employer. They are entitled to expect discretion from past employees and would probably consider down-the-line before taking them on.
I, and probably many others here could have stitched up ex-employers, but integrity is expected from both sides.

[chrisc90]

There’s probably NDA’s signed too depending on the profile of the team member leaving

Under specific circumstances in UK law an NDA can be broken i.e.
Whistle blowing or reporting a crime. If say you sold a story to the press with evidence to back
certain claims up then it could be argued you sold a companies IP/Data then I think an NDA can be enforced.

Put simply don't expect anyone to whistle blow anytime soon, especially if they want to keep working in
F1.

I see.

Does that not depends on the nature of what your whistleblowing? If it was something illegal then fair enough. Police matter. But essentially it’s a sporting matter rather than criminal.

[taperoo2k]

There’s probably NDA’s signed too depending on the profile of the team member leaving

Under specific circumstances in UK law an NDA can be broken i.e.
Whistle blowing or reporting a crime. If say you sold a story to the press with evidence to back
certain claims up then it could be argued you sold a companies IP/Data then I think an NDA can be enforced.

Put simply don't expect anyone to whistle blow anytime soon, especially if they want to keep working in
F1.

I see.

Does that not depends on the nature of what your whistleblowing? If it was something illegal then fair enough. Police matter. But essentially it’s a sporting matter rather than criminal.

If the whistle blowing is in the public interest then I expect you'd be protected. But you'd have to ask a lawyer who practises law in the UK to explain the ins and outs of NDA's and whistle blowing. If someone does whistle blow with actual evidence that can't be disputed then we'd see a lot of sporting and legal dramas play out. I think this will probably amount to nothing. But worth keeping an eye on none the less.

[chrisc90]

[Vanja #66]

Just to add full article link:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10672351/

[PapayaFan481]

If this was a certain other team being accused of this and the FIA did nothing, then there could be comments of favouritism, national bias and turning a blind eye.

But because it's Red Bull then all is well?

Double standards are not a good thing!!

[chrisc90]

If this was a certain other team being accused of this and the FIA did nothing, then there could be comments of favouritism, national bias and turning a blind eye.

But because it's Red Bull then all is well?

Double standards are not a good thing!!

TBH - I think a few people were in the same boat of calling them out IF they were doing it.

But lets not bring the steward(s) favouritism into it, since its a FIA matter to investigate

[Watto]

I am sure there will always be skeptics.

But thats is an end of it to me. Felts like a difficult way to try and do it undetected. But if they did it was a clear breach..

The same said really of water, possible no doubt and a clear advantage. But doing it undetected week in week out. But if it was donea clear breach.