2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

Regarding FP1, I don't know what either of them was testing, but it seemed to me that Drugovich was slightly faster than Stroll on soft tires, especially in the medium-speed corners. It would be nice to know if they both had the same setup or were comparing something new and old.

Drugovich had the old sidepods/Floor fences ...

Stroll ran the new package.

[peewon]

Do you guys think they will have time to change it in the winter for the 2025 season ?

It will be a brand new chassis so yes. The question is, how come leadership did not forsee this being an issue when they built the AMR24?

The AMR24 still much faster as the amr23. Is just simply not enough. Is not that they going backwards, the others development much faster or just have less problems as Aston. Let's see if the new wind tunnel helps. I'm pretty sure, that Mercedes didn't tell to Aston something about the windtunnel or correlation which they figured out already. Of course is not a must thing, but that would be the fair thing to do ,but they don't want to be slower from Aston as back in 23.

It seems like they are going backwards because they are falling behind on the grid compared to last season. Teams like Vcarb and Williams are often better than them on pace. Doesnt matter if the times are faster. The further back you are, you have more easier development opportunities available in theory. When you are at the front its difficult to develop.

The wind tunnel could be a factor but I feel there is also some lack of fundamental understanding of what makes a car fast with the current formula.

[Rikrikrik]

The most sad thing about AM is the fact you cant extract NOTHING good about them, the other teams, VCarb, Haas, Williams, still fighting in the medium, but they improved their cars, bring some nice pieces and u can see that improve. AM after february 2023, we cant see nothing good happening, always a nightmare and nothing move foward. They said " we found the right path in Hungary", now they seem even more lost than before Hungary.

[jofs89]

The most sad thing about AM is the fact you cant extract NOTHING good about them, the other teams, VCarb, Haas, Williams, still fighting in the medium, but they improved their cars, bring some nice pieces and u can see that improve. AM after february 2023, we cant see nothing good happening, always a nightmare and nothing move foward. They said " we found the right path in Hungary", now they seem even more lost than before Hungary.

I share a similar sentiment. However, I think this isn't completely true. They did actually improve last year from the North American swing until the end of the season after conducting what were essentially glorified testing session in those races, most memorably with that Alonso podium in Brazil. So that did give me a bit of optimism heading into the off season. It seemed then that maybe they had understood why the issues were.

However, I agree that this season has been pretty dire! I can't thing of a single upgrade that was brought a relative increase in performance compared to competitors. Given the personnel and facilities that is quite shocking in my opinion.

I think they've just gone all in on 2026 now which is understandable and probably wise in some respects, but also comes with it's own risks. I'm not holding my breath for much improvement before then..sadly.

[diffuser]

The yellow top car (Alonso) continued to run the Hungry Spec in FP2. Stroll ran Austin Spec in both FPs.

[SSJ4]

#Amus Aston Martin looked for the mistake. The debut of the latest upgrade in Austin was disappointing. Bouncing and unstable handling robbed the drivers of confidence. The car was passable in fast corners, but lost a lot of time in the slow corners.

#Amus Summary
FP1
Stroll - Austin Floor
Drugovich - Budapest Floor

FP2
Stroll and Alonso - Imola Floor

[Rikrikrik]

#Amus Aston Martin looked for the mistake. The debut of the latest upgrade in Austin was disappointing. Bouncing and unstable handling robbed the drivers of confidence. The car was passable in fast corners, but lost a lot of time in the slow corners.

#Amus Summary
FP1
Stroll - Austin Floor
Drugovich - Budapest Floor

FP2
Stroll and Alonso - Imola Floor

Its embarassimg how Aston still be completely without a direction, even the bottom teams know what they need, AM doesnt even know whats going on. They simply make some parts of car and put on the car and pray to work, and nothing work. im not a business man, but e really dont understand how nothing change yet about AM staff. I would like to be a little fly to hear what is happening behind that walls.

[TyreSlip]

#Amus Aston Martin looked for the mistake. The debut of the latest upgrade in Austin was disappointing. Bouncing and unstable handling robbed the drivers of confidence. The car was passable in fast corners, but lost a lot of time in the slow corners.

#Amus Summary
FP1
Stroll - Austin Floor
Drugovich - Budapest Floor

FP2
Stroll and Alonso - Imola Floor

Its embarassimg how Aston still be completely without a direction, even the bottom teams know what they need, AM doesnt even know whats going on. They simply make some parts of car and put on the car and pray to work, and nothing work. im not a business man, but e really dont understand how nothing change yet about AM staff. I would like to be a little fly for hear what is happening behind that walls.

Tom McCullough must be the biggest gaslighter in the team.

[laspeorasdeaston]

Maybe Newey and Cardille won't give us a competitive car from the beginning, but I'm sure they will see the problem we can't see right now. The main problem has been not modifying the front suspension. When you modify your front wing, the flow that is channeled through the front suspension changes, yet we have not modified it anything this year. Newey and Cardille can help with the suspension, I don't believe 2025 is already lost. The team hasn't got a clue what they need to fix, but by running different part specs at least they are gathering tons of data that will help Newey/Cardille understand the car and its mistakes.

[Rikrikrik]

Maybe Newey and Cardille won't give us a competitive car from the beginning, but I'm sure they will see the problem we can't see right now. The main problem has been not modifying the front suspension. When you modify your front wing, the flow that is channeled through the front suspension changes, yet we have not modified it anything this year. Newey and Cardille can help with the suspension, I don't believe 2025 is already lost. The team hasn't got a clue what they need to fix, but by running different part specs at least they are gathering tons of data that will help Newey/Cardille understand the car and its mistakes.

The strange aspect with Aston is they can build a good cars. AMR23 everyone saw what that car was capable and AMR24 was decent in February or March and he is much better than AMR23, the problem is development, for some reason they simple cant understand how make the car improve.

[Big Gun]

Maybe Newey and Cardille won't give us a competitive car from the beginning, but I'm sure they will see the problem we can't see right now. The main problem has been not modifying the front suspension. When you modify your front wing, the flow that is channeled through the front suspension changes, yet we have not modified it anything this year. Newey and Cardille can help with the suspension, I don't believe 2025 is already lost. The team hasn't got a clue what they need to fix, but by running different part specs at least they are gathering tons of data that will help Newey/Cardille understand the car and its mistakes.

Sadly Newey is only working on the 2026 car, think Alonso said something like 5% of the team is working on the 2025 car.
unless they find a loophole or just copy the the best bits of the top teams, next year gunna be rough.
Seems the team went downhill since they tried reducing the drag last year

[diffuser]

#Amus Aston Martin looked for the mistake. The debut of the latest upgrade in Austin was disappointing. Bouncing and unstable handling robbed the drivers of confidence. The car was passable in fast corners, but lost a lot of time in the slow corners.

#Amus Summary
FP1
Stroll - Austin Floor
Drugovich - Budapest Floor

FP2
Stroll and Alonso - Imola Floor

Not sure how they can make those comments the car lost .4 in S1 just in the esses section.

Do they not consider those as fast corners but change of directions ? They were fast in turns 16 through 18.

[diffuser]

Maybe Newey and Cardille won't give us a competitive car from the beginning, but I'm sure they will see the problem we can't see right now. The main problem has been not modifying the front suspension. When you modify your front wing, the flow that is channeled through the front suspension changes, yet we have not modified it anything this year. Newey and Cardille can help with the suspension, I don't believe 2025 is already lost. The team hasn't got a clue what they need to fix, but by running different part specs at least they are gathering tons of data that will help Newey/Cardille understand the car and its mistakes.

Sadly Newey is only working on the 2026 car, think Alonso said something like 5% of the team is working on the 2025 car.
unless they find a loophole or just copy the the best bits of the top teams, next year gunna be rough.
Seems the team went downhill since they tried reducing the drag last year

Cardille doesn't join until June 2025.

[diffuser]

#Amus Aston Martin looked for the mistake. The debut of the latest upgrade in Austin was disappointing. Bouncing and unstable handling robbed the drivers of confidence. The car was passable in fast corners, but lost a lot of time in the slow corners.

#Amus Summary
FP1
Stroll - Austin Floor
Drugovich - Budapest Floor

FP2
Stroll and Alonso - Imola Floor

Not sure how they can make those comments the car lost .4 in S1 just in the esses section.

Do they not consider those as fast corners but change of directions ? They were fast in turns 16 through 18.

WE KNOW ..

YELLOW TOP car ran Hungry sidepods and floor edges.

Black TOP car ran Austin side pods and floor fence.

Please READ before posting. I even posted pictures in the AMR24 forum.

BTW, Krack was in the TP interviews. He talks about the upgrades. He never said he was disappointed, he said they didn't have time to adjust the setup right. Now he maybe lieing but that's an official statement from AMR.
https://f1tv.formula1.com/detail/100000 ... exico-city

[diffuser]

Maybe Newey and Cardille won't give us a competitive car from the beginning, but I'm sure they will see the problem we can't see right now. The main problem has been not modifying the front suspension. When you modify your front wing, the flow that is channeled through the front suspension changes, yet we have not modified it anything this year. Newey and Cardille can help with the suspension, I don't believe 2025 is already lost. The team hasn't got a clue what they need to fix, but by running different part specs at least they are gathering tons of data that will help Newey/Cardille understand the car and its mistakes.

They did find their way at the beginning of the 2024 year with the upgrades from the 2023. It's the in year stuff they struggle with.