2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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Nikosar wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 19:11
diffuser wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 16:59
So I was looking at F1-Temp comparing Sainz and Alonso and I couldn't understand why Sainz was able to carry so much more speed into corners 1 thru 3. Then I came across this post on X ..
https://x.com/ferranwest/status/1849952406529790133

Look at how much more Curb Ferrari can use. They're actually straightening the track by doing that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaxZ4sjXgAE ... name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaxZ4szW0AA ... name=large
I think that is again the push-rod limiting the ability to take the bumps of the curbs, then the car is more difficult to drive and keep it stable

Then also the rear is limitation. But yes I also often notice that we carry less speed into the first corners. This not the first time . I believe it is a combination of factors.
I doubt it has anything to do with that but what do I know ...I'm a computer engineer.....

My suspicions would be amount of suspension travel. In other words if the car goes over the same sections of the curb that McLaren and Ferrari go over, the suspension travels to the max and the bottom of the car makes contact with the curb. While McLaren and Ferrari don't. It's probably have too much travel that would allow the right rear wheel to travel too high, therefore, the center of the car get closer to ground(makes contact). Maybe the other teams have a suspension travel limiter adjustment. That they can adjust how much travel the suspension is allowed. That's probably too simple, AMR/Merc can probably both adjust the ride height limit but maybe there is some side effect preventing them.

I just remembered that both Merc accidents in Austin were at turn 19 when they tried to take too much curb...

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 19:13
diffuser wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 16:59
So I was looking at F1-Temp comparing Sainz and Alonso and I couldn't understand why Sainz was able to carry so much more speed into corners 1 thru 3. Then I came across this post on X ..
https://x.com/ferranwest/status/1849952406529790133

Look at how much more Curb Ferrari can use. They're actually straightening the track by doing that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaxZ4sjXgAE ... name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaxZ4szW0AA ... name=large
Ferrari not with 4 wheel over the white line?

That's a good point but he didn't say which lap those pictures were taken and if the lap was disqualified for that.

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I personally would like to see then do a 2 stopper Soft/Med/Med.

The F1 site has that Alonso has 1 set of New Softs left, 1 set of New Mediums, 1 set of used Med and 1 set of used Hards.

We saw them put 1 lap to create the used Mediums and Hards but if the F1 site data is correct they could do the 2 stopped.

Getting tired of these lift and coast races. Would be refreshing to see a sprint to the end.

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diffuser wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 20:17
I personally would like to see then do a 2 stopper Soft/Med/Med.

The F1 site has that Alonso has 1 set of New Softs left, 1 set of New Mediums, 1 set of used Med and 1 set of used Hards.

We saw them put 1 lap to create the used Mediums and Hards but if the F1 site data is correct they could do the 2 stopped.

Getting tired of these lift and coast races. Would be refreshing to see a sprint to the end.
Last year all teams did 1 stop. We did two because of damage then retired the car. This is year should be the same.

Medium 27/34 - Hard (one stop)
Hard 50/56 - Soft (one stop) - if he have used set of hards then it will be difficult to do it
Medium - Hard - Medium ( 2 stops)

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Best wishes to Fernando Alonso for his 400th GP!
A lion must kill its prey.

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Up to P11 and 12 for the safety car restart at least. Lance ahead of Fernando.

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Alonso retires with car issues....

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Fallows
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Must go

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FNTC wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 22:30
Alonso retires with car issues....
Something was blocking the air to the front brakes, and it created thermal runaway. It didn't matter how severely Alonso lifted and coasted.

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Perez should get a penalty for forcing Stroll of the track, I believe.

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since the safety car was complaining about the brake balance.... so unlucky..

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AR3-GP wrote:
27 Oct 2024, 22:03
Best wishes to Fernando Alonso for his 400th GP!
Didn't age well :lol:

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The stewarding today is inconsistent. Double 10sec for max, but Perez gets away with forcing Stroll off.

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While I had been a proponent of giving the team time and defending them, I think it has reached such a point that I would find it strange if there is no exit next year with the arrival of Newey and the others. Who knows, maybe they won't sack anyone (except Whitmarsh) and I'm wrong, I have no idea after all. But it would be difficult for me not to see it happening. And not really because of scapegoating or blame culture or politics but because it is simply determined to be the best for the team.

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KimiRai wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 00:23
While I had been a proponent of giving the team time and defending them, I think it has reached such a point that I would find it strange if there is no exit next year with the arrival of Newey and the others. Who knows, maybe they won't sack anyone (except Whitmarsh) and I'm wrong, I have no idea after all. But it would be difficult for me not to see it happening. And not really because of scapegoating or blame culture or politics but because it is simply determined to be the best for the team.
Egos are too big for some people in upper management to take a demotion that is more appropriate for their skillset. Firings are inevitable. I hate it too but two years of cluelessness (three most assuredly) is enough.