2024 MoneyGram Haas F1 Team

[dennis h]

Ten points ahead of seventh in sixth place and still going forward ! (Constructors)
Can they continue this pace?
Can they hold onto sixth place?

[Vanja #66]

Great stiff from Haas, Komatsu got a good car and improved at and Gene started cashing out more and more. Steiner will be remembered, his sacrifice made all of this possible

[continuum16]

I don’t have the raw data but did Kmag actually close on Max over the final stint? I also noticed he gapped Hulk by like 15-20s over the final stint. Hopefully they can find out what the hell happened because it looked like the car temporarily bridged the gap between formula B and Formula A.

Seems like they can at least expect to race/beat Perez now so really P8 and not P9 is the max for “Formula B” nowadays. Still mega job; from the outside this is the same team in name only as the one that ran last year. With next year being (I assume) mostly a carry-over year they should aim to fight Aston for P5. Why not? Especially if Ferrari is good.

[TyreSlip]

I don’t have the raw data but did Kmag actually close on Max over the final stint? I also noticed he gapped Hulk by like 15-20s over the final stint. Hopefully they can find out what the hell happened because it looked like the car temporarily bridged the gap between formula B and Formula A.

Seems like they can at least expect to race/beat Perez now so really P8 and not P9 is the max for “Formula B” nowadays. Still mega job; from the outside this is the same team in name only as the one that ran last year. With next year being (I assume) mostly a carry-over year they should aim to fight Aston for P5. Why not? Especially if Ferrari is good.

The Aston Martin technical department is in shambles and lost with its car development. 5th can easily be on the tables for Haas next year. Ocon will be much happier.

[AR3-GP]

Great stiff from Haas, Komatsu got a good car and improved at and Gene started cashing out more and more. Steiner will be remembered, his sacrifice made all of this possible

All of this is possible in spite of Steiner...

[Vanja #66]

All of this is possible in spite of Steiner...

Was it not Steiner's original idea that got Haas to fund a new F1 team? Did the team not achieve several P4 race finishes in multiple seasons under Steiner?

And with all that Haas takes issue with Steiner's popularity, pulls the funds away last year and blames it all on Steiner... Smooth

[Jurgen von Diaz]

... and Steiner sacked Schumacher and hired Hülkenberg. Couldn't have made a better choice.

[continuum16]

Steiner definitely deserves some credit for the team’s improvement, especially over the winter. And yes, he definitely was the brains behind setting the team up in the first place. None of us have a clue who is responsible for the internal culture/operational changes, or even if there has been an extreme change.

The main external difference between Steiner and Komatsu is that under Komatsu everything is far less dramatic and volatile. Does the improved car help with that? Absolutely. I don’t know if Gene actually reduced funding for 2023 but when Steiner left the narrative was that Steiner believed “the team can’t do better without more money” and Gene (possibly supported by Komatsu? IDK) believed “they could do better with what they have already.”

Ultimately, without seemingly a massive investment from Gene, the form has improved, in-season development has actually functioned for the first time (maybe 2018?) ever, and with the Toyota deal they will not seemingly have money troubles in the future. I think Komatsu was integral in that push (not just because he’s Japanese, although I’m sure that doesn’t hurt) and deserves a lot of credit for that.

The bottom line is that the team is (finally?) stable and are not constantly being called “an embarrassment” and “waste of space” like they have been before!

[Luscion]

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Sainz and Hulk are going to get prepared for the "what is this s*it".

[dennis h]

Something as simple ( or not so simple ) as the "feel" of the brakes the reason for Magnussen's return to form ?

[AR3-GP]

All of this is possible in spite of Steiner...

Was it not Steiner's original idea that got Haas to fund a new F1 team? Did the team not achieve several P4 race finishes in multiple seasons under Steiner?

And with all that Haas takes issue with Steiner's popularity, pulls the funds away last year and blames it all on Steiner... Smooth

He outgrew his utility. Steiner didn't take Haas to P4. It was the theft of Ferrari IP that did that . As soon as the FIA closed down all the loopholes, Haas was nowhere and Steiner was more infatuated with the sound of his own voice than the success of the team. Komatsu is dragging the team forward without stolen Ferrari property. It's worth more.

[Zynerji]

Great stiff from Haas, Komatsu got a good car and improved at and Gene started cashing out more and more. Steiner will be remembered, his sacrifice made all of this possible

These results could have come in 2018 without the misguidance of Steiner.

I've caught a ton of crap on these boards calling for his sacking over the years and feel completely exonerated with the 2024 results and the 2025+ plans that are now in place.

Gene doesn't miss Guenther and neither should anyone else.

[Vanja #66]

He outgrew his utility. Steiner didn't take Haas to P4. It was the theft of Ferrari IP that did that . As soon as the FIA closed down all the loopholes, Haas was nowhere and Steiner was more infatuated with the sound of his own voice than the success of the team. Komatsu is dragging the team forward without stolen Ferrari property. It's worth more.

The car is still based on Ferrari parts. Ferrari was (relatively) very bad last year, so was Haas. Ferrari is very good this year and so is Haas. I'm sure Gene understands this perfectly. Early car was still result of Steiner's work with Resta last year and Komatsu did good to improve it over the year.

These results could have come in 2018 without the misguidance of Steiner.

2024 isn't even close to 2018 in terms of results and points They scored 47p in 2017 (20 races) and 93p in 2018 (21 races) without Sprints, this year they are at 46p in 20 races with 4 Sprints. Clearly, even season 2017 was better than this year

[continuum16]

While 2024 will not be the best in terms of points scored, I reckon it’s probably the closest to the front as % of lap time that they have been. I mean even in their best race in 2018 (Austria) they were lapped by Verstappen despite being P4 and P5. Also P7/8 was open to “Formula B” in 2017 and 2018 because the McHonda experiment failed. That’s like 6-8 more points per race available outside of the top 3 teams. I’m fairly confident 2024 is the only season of theirs where they will have scored more points in the second half than the first, (if they score 5 more points in the next 4 races, which seems plausible) which is at least a welcome change.

Obviously this follows Ferrari, whose best years since 2017 were 2018, 2024, 2017, and 2022. If for some reason the 2025 Ferrari is a cut above the rest I would expect Haas to repeat 2018 at a minimum.