2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Emag]

Max pushes ver the limit in T4, but T8 penalty was total BS. Total joke, to quote one particularly brilliant brain from Mercedes

Okish damage limitation with P6, I had him at P5 before the weekend and losing 15p to Norris tbh. If he wasn't so hot with Norris, would have been -6p, so just 4p more lost is not that bad

That was actually the worse one of the two. Did you see the onboards? He just blasted into the inside and pushed Lando off while going halfway across the country himself too.

Late brake and understeer, was fully ahead of Norris. Lando should have left him room and switch back easily, Max would have looked like a total amateur in that case

He was super late and nobody expects a divebomb there. Also, the switch back was not so easy with Leclerc right behind.

What Lando could have done to avoid an accident has absolutely no say in him getting the penalty. It was a dangerous move which also forced another driver off in the process. Can't see how that is not a penalty.

I am surprised it was 10s for both though. Perhaps that briefing they had before Mexico has something to do with this.

[proteus]

Yes, ridiculous, he only deserved 10 seconds, or maybe even 5 seconds like Norris last time.

But there is a huge anti Verstappen campaign and some people want Norris and McLaren to win and bring back the title to the british islands.

The FIA even said they were thinking about changing the rules to penalize Max eventough he acted brilliantly last week following these rules.

These penalties were long due. The stupidities he is performing this year should award him a race ban in my opinion. And this comes from a someone who actually likes him. Even if Lando doesnt get the title, he is a class above in the racing culture this season. Max went far too dirty, sore loser to say the least and RedBull is willing to throw away the WCC for it as well.

Yes, I am sure you are very unbiased with this avatar.

Norris is good, but the fact that Verstappen retain a lead so far with a car this bad speak volume about his driving superiority at this moment.

You tend to forget it was the other way arround at the start of the season. And without his "brilliant" driving like in Austria and some other circuits, it would be a whole other story by now.

[AR3-GP]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

They didn't say anything on the radio about giving the place back. I don't think it's the same as Hungary (which may be viewed as more disturbing). Max made 1 comment about the 1st penalty and another comment about the 2nd penalty. He didn't even manage to swear. He simply said he had no grip. Not much discussion about the clear lack of pace. I find this to be more disturbing than anger...A driver at peace with the mediocrity of the RB20.

[PierreW]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

4th place with Lando first was a net loss compared to Norris second and him 6th.

Giving the Ferrari a good headstart was smart and tactical. He only deserved a 5s penalty like Norris had last race but the stewards decided to target him unfairly due to the press campaign against Verstappen that is gaining traction due to the supremacy of the british press around the F1 world.

Also, with how slow the car was on hard, Hamilton and Russell were likely to pass him, they wouldn"t have fought together. They were much faster for 3/4 of the race.

So best Verstappen could hope was 6th place, with or without the penalties.

[Sergej]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

totally agree, just be Lando's shadow and bring home the car, why it has to be so difficult ?

but sadly I fear he won't change his mindset, it's not in his nature I think, even if that could cost him the title.

[Paa]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

They didn't say anything on the radio about giving the place back. I don't think it's the same as Hungary (which may be viewed as more disturbing). Max made 1 comment about the 1st penalty and another comment about the 2nd penalty. He didn't even manage to swear. He simply said he had no grip. Not much discussion about the clear lack of pace. I find this to be more disturbing than anger...A driver at peace with the mediocrity of the RB20.

Thanks for the radio thing.
I did not mean the Hungary analogue to his attitude, but more like I think these are the two races this season when he left some points on the table by getting the red mist in his head.

[PierreW]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

totally agree, just be Lando's shadow and bring home the car, why it has to be so difficult ?

but sadly I fear he won't change his mindset, it's not in his nature I think, even if that could cost him the title.

This is the contrary. That's why he is world champion and we aren't.

[taperoo2k]

Seems like an overreaction indeed.

No. What Max did today was dangerous, the stewards needed to draw a line in the sand.
Indeed Max had absolutely no need to be that aggressive, cost himself a lot of points and punted
RB into 3rd in the Constructors.

The pressure of McL on the stewards seems to have paid off.

If McLaren were that good, they'd have won the right to appeal the last race and had the
5 second penalty removed. I like hard racing that's far, which isn't what Max did today.
He can race far better than that.

[CHT]

Another very disappointing weekend for Perez and its really embarrassing that he doesnt realize is out of position at the starting grid. I would be surprised if RBR doesnt replace him next season.

[AR3-GP]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

They didn't say anything on the radio about giving the place back. I don't think it's the same as Hungary (which may be viewed as more disturbing). Max made 1 comment about the 1st penalty and another comment about the 2nd penalty. He didn't even manage to swear. He simply said he had no grip. Not much discussion about the clear lack of pace. I find this to be more disturbing than anger...A driver at peace with the mediocrity of the RB20.

Thanks for the radio thing.
I did not mean the Hungary analogue to his attitude, but more like I think these are the two races this season when he left some points on the table by getting the red mist in his head.

Well, let's review how many points and how much disruption Red Bull has cost him:

1) Australia
2) Horner-gate and the internal division
3) Engine penalties (Spa, Brazil)
4) A rubbish car
5) A rubbish teammate

A driver's calm and patience is not endless. You can't simply discuss the few issues of Max without discussing the conditions that he is up against. He's done more than his fair share of carrying this team when they are determined to lose all the titles with this toothless car.

[Vettel165]

Looking forward to next races.

Brasil has many slow speed corners, this could mean that the traction will be the key. I would rate as a bad track for us.

Qatar has many medium-high speed corners and is similar to Silverstone (S2) or Austin (S1). Which I would rate as a better track for us.

Vegas has some medium corners, but lots of traction areas. Not a good track probably.

Abu Dhabi has 2 corners where you need good traction and long straights after. It also has some medium-high speed corners.

In the next 4 races, I think we have at least a shot for a podium in Qatar and Abu Dhabi. With other 2 races being worse tracks.

[PierreW]

Seems like an overreaction indeed.

No. What Max did today was dangerous, the stewards needed to draw a line in the sand.
Indeed Max had absolutely no need to be that aggressive, cost himself a lot of points and punted
RB into 3rd in the Constructors.

The pressure of McL on the stewards seems to have paid off.

If McLaren were that good, they'd have won the right to appeal the last race and had the
5 second penalty removed. I like hard racing that's far, which isn't what Max did today.
He can race far better than that.

It wasn't dangerous. Perez-Lawson was far more dangerous and nothing was said or done about it.

The constructors is not an objective anymore. The car is too slow and Perez nowhere. The team is at peace with the 3rd place. The only thing RB is playing is the world driver championship for the end of the season.

McLaren failed to provide a new element for their review. They couldn't even accept to review it. But there are zero doubts that without last week and the press campaign after , Max would only have had a 5s or 10s penalty.

[Sergej]

I'm not sure why Max didn't let Norris back? Anybody has the radio? I would like to know what the team suggested to him.
I think the whole penalty/investigation could have been avoided by giving the place back. It was extremely clear he would get some kind of penalty. It was blatantly ignorant.
I also did not like his driving. I usually don't mind him going slightly over the limit in a calculated manner as he usually does, but this was just mindless rampage. A but like Hungary.
Even when he had the new hard tyre and had to overtake some slower cars, he mindlessly pushed on the part of track where the overtake was not on. He clearly could have take it easy on those parts of the track and still be within striking distance by the DRS, but he was driving with anger. This probably costed some pace at the end.

Car is slow, that's clear, but 4th place was on with a smarter driving.

I think he should change his mindset for the last 4 races. He needs to realize, that he doesn't even need to beat Lando. It is enough to follow him home. No need for these high risk/low return kind of stuff what he did today.

totally agree, just be Lando's shadow and bring home the car, why it has to be so difficult ?

but sadly I fear he won't change his mindset, it's not in his nature I think, even if that could cost him the title.

This is the contrary. That's why he is world champion and we aren't.

well, I understand your point, but I think in 2021 that banzai style was required because Mercedes was clearly faster and point gap was small, but now that big gap could let him drive with a bit more "Prost way"; plus, I really don't like those divebomb manouvres, one thing is the superb defense of Austin, another thing is looking like amateur sending the car desperately and forcing another drive off track.

[Juzh]

cost himself a lot of points and punted RB into 3rd in the Constructors.

It's been established in the WDC Max hasn't cost himself any points today, in fact he lost less than with a clean race where norris wins easily.

Max punted RB into 3rd? lol? Dude, ferrari is 25 points ahead right now. In best case scenario Verstappen today finishes 4th instead of 6th which is a whole 4 points difference. RB team itself with the 4th best car and a washed teammate punted RB into 3rd, absolutely nothing to do with Max (who leads the WDC btw).

I don't know what you're on about here.

[Quantum]

Red Bulls race pace, particularly in the 2nd half of the last 2 races has been utterly nowhere.

Couldn't even close a gap to a broken merc in this race.