General Honda F1 Topic

[KimiRai]

How does anyone know the relative performance of prototype, unraced engines. That's all made-up!

Well... you'll have to ask him, I guess.

[KimiRai]

Honda Racing Corporation has been given a $600k fine for procedural breach of the Power Unit Financial Regulations.

A bit of confusion in what was originally reported. According to Benson:



FIA document on the official website https://www.fia.com/news/accepted-breac ... nda-racing

[AR3-GP]

[KimiRai]

Several sources say that a new 11th American team could join by 2026 and as it would be a customer at the start, it is likely that either Ferrari or Honda will be called upon to supply them with engines.

Didn't Honda sign an exclusive deal with Aston Martin? If that happens, not so exclusive anymore right?

[AR3-GP]

Several sources say that a new 11th American team could join by 2026 and as it would be a customer at the start, it is likely that either Ferrari or Honda will be called upon to supply them with engines.

Didn't Honda sign an exclusive deal with Aston Martin? If that happens, not so exclusive anymore right?

It benefits Honda to have customers putting mileage on the PUs and allowing them to gain more data at each track. The exclusivity deal never made sense.

[KimiRai]

Several sources say that a new 11th American team could join by 2026 and as it would be a customer at the start, it is likely that either Ferrari or Honda will be called upon to supply them with engines.

Didn't Honda sign an exclusive deal with Aston Martin? If that happens, not so exclusive anymore right?

It benefits Honda to have customers putting mileage on the PUs and allowing them to gain more data at each track. The exclusivity deal never made sense.

On the extra mileage and data, I've thought similarly, only running two cars could be a problem perhaps... imagine pre-season testing and you have a reliability issue which takes hours to fix or switch components. That is very poor mileage. If you had more cars then it would be considerably more mileage and data

But to be honest I have no real clue so who knows. There might be more reasons we are not aware of. I think it's more likely to be Ferrari based on the previous deal with AM

[AR3-GP]

Several sources say that a new 11th American team could join by 2026 and as it would be a customer at the start, it is likely that either Ferrari or Honda will be called upon to supply them with engines.

Didn't Honda sign an exclusive deal with Aston Martin? If that happens, not so exclusive anymore right?

It benefits Honda to have customers putting mileage on the PUs and allowing them to gain more data at each track. The exclusivity deal never made sense.

On the extra mileage and data, I've thought similarly, only running two cars could be a problem perhaps... imagine pre-season testing and one of them has a reliability issue which takes hours to fix or switch components. You would only have a single car left doing laps. That is very poor mileage. If you had four cars then it would be considerably more mileage and data

But to be honest I have no real clue so who knows. There might be more benefits we are not aware of. I think it's more likely to be Ferrari based on the previous deal with AM

I assume the "exclusivity" comes from AMR wanting to be the collaborator for the PU layout similar to what RBR had before.

I think it's even worse in testing. You only have 1 car in pre-season testing so if there's a problem you don't run at all.


Regarding GM using a Honda engine? I agree that it will not happen. They are direct OEM rivals. Ferrari makes more sense.

[KimiRai]

I think it's even worse in testing. You only have 1 car in pre-season testing so if there's a problem you don't run at all.

Forgot you only have 1 car in testing . In that case it's even worse, for sure.

[KimiRai]

Several sources say that a new 11th American team could join by 2026 and as it would be a customer at the start, it is likely that either Ferrari or Honda will be called upon to supply them with engines.

Didn't Honda sign an exclusive deal with Aston Martin? If that happens, not so exclusive anymore right?

Motorsport says Ferrari is the most likely option over Honda,

In the first two seasons the team will have to use a customer power unit, with a possible supply from Ferrari (the most likely option) or alternatively Honda. Red Bull and Audi are not among the engine manufacturers with the obligation to supply a customer, as they are both rookies, while the Mercedes power unit already equips four of the ten teams present.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ge ... /10675252/

[KimiRai]

The Race says that Honda is the most likely candidate instead. Certainly swimming against the tide at the moment

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/new- ... -fallback/

Honda is the most likely candidate, beyond the fact it is already favourable given Honda's track record with Red Bull in the most recent years of the turbo-hybrid era.

There is potentially a good foundation to come to an agreement naturally, as GM and Honda have recent history working together in the US, on projects such as the development of the hybrid system for the latest IndyCar engine.

Honda will also have a new UK site to support its F1 programme, so geographically it is a more logical choice for a GM team than, say, Ferrari in Italy.

[AR3-GP]

The Race says that Honda is the most likely candidate instead. Certainly swimming against the tide at the moment

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/new- ... -fallback/

Honda is the most likely candidate, beyond the fact it is already favourable given Honda's track record with Red Bull in the most recent years of the turbo-hybrid era.

There is potentially a good foundation to come to an agreement naturally, as GM and Honda have recent history working together in the US, on projects such as the development of the hybrid system for the latest IndyCar engine.

Honda will also have a new UK site to support its F1 programme, so geographically it is a more logical choice for a GM team than, say, Ferrari in Italy.

It's dissapointing that both outlets are not actually reporting anything from inside sources. They are pretty much just doing what we are doing on the forum...except we don't charge for it

Of course the italian motorsport site thinks it's Ferrari...I didn't notice the source at first...

I think we're back to square one on this. If it's true that GM is building their own PU, then I can't see the appeal of any other manufacturer to support them as you are basically giving GM an inside look to how your own PU works and they will take everything and apply it to their own.

[KimiRai]

They are pretty much just doing what we are doing on the forum...except we don't charge for it

[SealTheRealDeal]

It benefits Honda to have customers putting mileage on the PUs and allowing them to gain more data at each track. The exclusivity deal never made sense.

On the extra mileage and data, I've thought similarly, only running two cars could be a problem perhaps... imagine pre-season testing and one of them has a reliability issue which takes hours to fix or switch components. You would only have a single car left doing laps. That is very poor mileage. If you had four cars then it would be considerably more mileage and data

But to be honest I have no real clue so who knows. There might be more benefits we are not aware of. I think it's more likely to be Ferrari based on the previous deal with AM

I assume the "exclusivity" comes from AMR wanting to be the collaborator for the PU layout similar to what RBR had before.

I think it's even worse in testing. You only have 1 car in pre-season testing so if there's a problem you don't run at all.


Regarding GM using a Honda engine? I agree that it will not happen. They are direct OEM rivals. Ferrari makes more sense.

GM and Honda do collaborate quite a bit though.

[AR3-GP]

On the extra mileage and data, I've thought similarly, only running two cars could be a problem perhaps... imagine pre-season testing and one of them has a reliability issue which takes hours to fix or switch components. You would only have a single car left doing laps. That is very poor mileage. If you had four cars then it would be considerably more mileage and data

But to be honest I have no real clue so who knows. There might be more benefits we are not aware of. I think it's more likely to be Ferrari based on the previous deal with AM

I assume the "exclusivity" comes from AMR wanting to be the collaborator for the PU layout similar to what RBR had before.

I think it's even worse in testing. You only have 1 car in pre-season testing so if there's a problem you don't run at all.


Regarding GM using a Honda engine? I agree that it will not happen. They are direct OEM rivals. Ferrari makes more sense.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... 7aa6e59e8&
GM and Honda do collaborate quite a bit though.

I don't actually remember saying that, but I can see that it was me

I changed my position later on. They worked together on the Indycar hybrid engine, and have done some production car stuff as well.

[dren]

They share an electric car platform.