2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Lasssept]

- Fines for Mercedes for the tyre pressure changes with the wheels on the car on the grid. €5000 for each incident

[Paa]

That's less than what you have to pay for saying f**k.

[Quantum]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbeuCBDbkAE ... =4096x4096

https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1853141138439655743

Egregious! The data must be wrong!
The circus act shitbox couldn't be capable of that surely?

[AR3-GP]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbeuCBDbkAE ... =4096x4096

https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1853141138439655743

Egregious! The data must be wrong!
The circus act shitbox couldn't be capable of that surely?

That was more on Russell for being a better driver than the others today. He is very capable in these conditions. He mugged Norris on the 1st lap, withstood the pressure from a faster car for half of the race, then got Norris again on the restart. He didn't put a foot wrong all day unlike others.

Meanwhile, the silver circus tried to ruin Russell's race with the illegal tire pressure adjustments and the early pit stop. At least they didn't give him the other car's tires this time...

[Quantum]

That was more on Russell for being a better driver than the others today. He is very capable in these conditions. He mugged Norris on the 1st lap, withstood the pressure from a faster car for half of the race, then got Norris again on the restart. He didn't put a foot wrong all day unlike others.

Meanwhile, the silver circus tried to ruin Russell's race with the illegal tire pressure adjustments and the early pit stop. At least they didn't give him the other car's tires this time...

With logic like this it's easy to apply all sorts of fallacies and fantasies to kick the team.
Good results = Driver.
Poor results = Silver circus.

[Cs98]

George has actually been very impressive this season, in quali and the races. He had the mechanical in Silverstone where the car was quick and Lewis won, then he gets the DQ in Spa where he finished first. Then another bit of bad luck in Mexico. All in all there's probably been a good 50 point swing in favour of Lewis due to things outside his control but somehow he has managed to claw it all back and more. The team is in good hands from a driving perspective, they just need to deliver a car that can do the job.

[DGP123]

George has actually been very impressive this season, in quali and the races. He had the mechanical in Silverstone where the car was quick and Lewis won, then he gets the DQ in Spa where he finished first. Then another bit of bad luck in Mexico. All in all there's probably been a good 50 point swing in favour of Lewis due to things outside his control but somehow he has managed to claw it all back and more. The team is in good hands from a driving perspective, they just need to deliver a car that can do the job.

Unfortunately, the problem is your last sentence. The team has no understanding of this GE regulation, and have proven to be unable to deliver a championship winning car.

Also, you conveniently left out the huge chunks of good luck that Russell has received, with the inherited win in Austria, and inherited podium in Baku.

[Cs98]

George has actually been very impressive this season, in quali and the races. He had the mechanical in Silverstone where the car was quick and Lewis won, then he gets the DQ in Spa where he finished first. Then another bit of bad luck in Mexico. All in all there's probably been a good 50 point swing in favour of Lewis due to things outside his control but somehow he has managed to claw it all back and more. The team is in good hands from a driving perspective, they just need to deliver a car that can do the job.

Unfortunately, the problem is your last sentence. The team has no understanding of this GE regulation, and have proven to be unable to deliver a championship winning car.

Also, you conveniently left out the huge chunks of good luck that Russell has received, with the inherited win in Austria, and inherited podium in Baku.

They've steadily improved since 2022, they could find something yet.

Others making bad decisions is not luck if you put yourself in a position to take advantage. Drivers will always tangle, everyone behind benefits. It could've been Lewis who picked up that win and podium if he put his car in a better position. However, getting a technical DNF and a DQ at the two best tracks of the year for your car, where you finished first in one and probably on the podium in the other, that is proper bad luck affecting only one car and nothing to do with driving.

[DGP123]

George has actually been very impressive this season, in quali and the races. He had the mechanical in Silverstone where the car was quick and Lewis won, then he gets the DQ in Spa where he finished first. Then another bit of bad luck in Mexico. All in all there's probably been a good 50 point swing in favour of Lewis due to things outside his control but somehow he has managed to claw it all back and more. The team is in good hands from a driving perspective, they just need to deliver a car that can do the job.

Unfortunately, the problem is your last sentence. The team has no understanding of this GE regulation, and have proven to be unable to deliver a championship winning car.

Also, you conveniently left out the huge chunks of good luck that Russell has received, with the inherited win in Austria, and inherited podium in Baku.

They've steadily improved since 2022, they could find something yet.

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

[Vanja #66]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

[DGP123]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Exactly, hence my post.

[Cs98]

Unfortunately, the problem is your last sentence. The team has no understanding of this GE regulation, and have proven to be unable to deliver a championship winning car.

Also, you conveniently left out the huge chunks of good luck that Russell has received, with the inherited win in Austria, and inherited podium in Baku.

They've steadily improved since 2022, they could find something yet.

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

The car has at times this year looked genuinely good. It's just that McLaren and Ferrari have taken huge steps in race pace whereas Merc and RB have taken smaller steps. The car has way less fundamental problems than it did in 2022 and 2023. If they just unlock a bit more performance and optimise it more for the races they will be competitive.

[Quantum]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Elliott's W14 had 392 points After 21 rounds.

Comparing 2023 to 2024.

McLaren 593 vs 284. +309 points (+3 positions higher)
Ferrari 557 vs 388. +200 points (+2)
Red Bull 544 vs 822. -278 points (-2)
Mercedes 382 vs 392. -10 points (-2)
Aston 86 vs 273. -187 points (=)
Alpine 49 vs 120. -71 points (=)
Haas 46 vs 12. +34 points (+3)
RB 44 vs 21. +23 points (=)
Williams 17 vs 28. -11 points (-2)
Sauber 0 vs 16. -16 points (-1).


Only 3 teams improved positionally.
Only 4 teams improved in terms of points.

At this point, even a hater could work out where the biggest concerns are.

https://www.total-motorsport.com/f1-dri ... rand-prix/

[venkyhere]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Exactly, hence my post.

Need to consider the context, before comparing raw data by itself.

2022 :
- McLaren absent from competitive positions,
- Ferrari roughly on par with Mercedes after the early TD change to lift floor edges/floors
- midfielder teams were way far off the leading pack.

2024 :
- all of the above helping situations absent

[cplchanb]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Elliott's W14 had 392 points After 21 rounds.

Comparing 2023 to 2024.

McLaren 593 vs 284. +309 points (+3 positions higher)
Ferrari 557 vs 388. +200 points (+2)
Red Bull 544 vs 822. -278 points (-2)
Mercedes 382 vs 392. -10 points (-2)
Aston 86 vs 273. -187 points (=)
Alpine 49 vs 120. -71 points (=)
Haas 46 vs 12. +34 points (+3)
RB 44 vs 21. +23 points (=)
Williams 17 vs 28. -11 points (-2)
Sauber 0 vs 16. -16 points (-1).


Only 3 teams improved positionally.
Only 4 teams improved in terms of points.

At this point, even a hater could work out where the biggest concerns are.

https://www.total-motorsport.com/f1-dri ... rand-prix/

just as an asterisk, Belgium made the difference here. had russel not been dqd it wouldve been the more successful car.