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The team already has an amazing technical department, just think about the idea if they were to take Elliott too. It would be something incredible, similar to Ferrari in the early 2000s. Regardless, as I said, the team is already at a huge level, in my opinion, the only thing that needs to be sorted out is the paperwork. In any case, look at how Toto spoke about Cowell, we'll see if time will prove him right.

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KimiRai wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 15:46
AR3-GP wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 15:26
Who is the new technical director?
From what I could read...

Executive director Bob Bell, a highly regarded and experienced design engineer who joined the team in March, will fill in on a temporary basis.

Fallows' departure is a move driven by new managing director Andy Cowell. The former head of Mercedes' F1 engine programme started at Aston Martin in October.

The plan is to appoint a new technical director, but likely only after Newey and Cardile have started work and decided their plans.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... mvx314j1zo

Fallows was set to report to Cardile, who will join as Chief Technical Officer, but Motorsport.com understands the team hasn't yet decided if Fallows will be directly replaced once its new hires are in place.

In the meantime, Fallows' responsibilities will be absorbed by Aston's current technical leadership, which includes deputy technical director Eric Blandin and Bob Bell, who holds the role of Executive Director - Technical.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10672396/
Well Bob Bell was hired to take up the 2026 car Project, that work is almost done. The 2026 car project will become the main stream project pretty soon. He's probably looking for new things to do.

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KimiRai wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 16:25
Rikrikrik wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 16:21
We could be any hope with AMR25 now with Bob Bell in the front?
He is an ex-TD. We don't know but I would like to think he'll do OK
He was TD at Renault when Alonso won.

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Rikrikrik wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 16:21
We could be any hope with AMR25 now with Bob Bell in the front?
Yes. He won championships at Renault and Mercedes.
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TyreSlip wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 16:30
AR3-GP wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 16:07
It's a good decision from Andy Cowell (imo). Shows good leadership right away.
I am always wary of a newcomer immediately cleaning house, as that person cannot possibly understand the complexity of an 800+ person team in a month. I certainly hope this wasn't a rash decision.
i would imagine that they consulted with Newey before making the decision. just for the simple fact that he had worked with him for a long time at redbull. i doubt that theyd want to get rid of somebody that Newey would consider irreplaceable.

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Finally better sense prevailed and accountability has been set by axing Dan. Good riddance , took home a lot and delivered nothing on track.

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I'm glad they have finally made this decision. You can't go 2 years in F1 with every upgrade not delivering. It is unacceptable for a team that want to win championships, and ultimately the buck stops with Fallows as TD. I'm sure he's a great aerodynamisist but clearly that didn't transfer over to TD. I was always a bit inspired by the interviews he gave, they always just sounded like generic corporate speak, he never instilled much confidence Imo. They've seemed completely lost for a while now. I personally think this is the right call.

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jofs89 wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 10:08
I'm glad they have finally made this decision. You can't go 2 years in F1 with every upgrade not delivering. It is unacceptable for a team that want to win championships, and ultimately the buck stops with Fallows as TD. I'm sure he's a great aerodynamisist but clearly that didn't transfer over to TD. I was always a bit inspired by the interviews he gave, they always just sounded like generic corporate speak, he never instilled much confidence Imo. They've seemed completely lost for a while now. I personally think this is the right call.
The last "dud" grade which was pushed forward for months was final nail in the coffin

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6 months too late with that tbh... but better now than never. Let's see what the future brings, but it cannot get much worse than this...
Team Fernando!

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PinkFloydPulse wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 10:52
6 months too late with that tbh... but better now than never. Let's see what the future brings, but it cannot get much worse than this...
Actually can... this year all the team pushing in the good direction ,except one team,Aston. They says the 25 car looks promissing,but this all marketing for Aston stocks and etcetera. In F1 no miracle...

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 12:53
PinkFloydPulse wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 10:52
6 months too late with that tbh... but better now than never. Let's see what the future brings, but it cannot get much worse than this...
Actually can... this year all the team pushing in the good direction ,except one team,Aston. They says the 25 car looks promissing,but this all marketing for Aston stocks and etcetera. In F1 no miracle...
Maybe now, with bob bell and others in front and Fallow out of the way, maybe can AMR25 could be better than how he is today, but, i think they will start 2025 fighting in the back row, around p13-p14. I know fallow is not the unique responsable about AMR24, but, all of us remeber, last year they had conflicts between factory team and track team about where the development should move in. Fallow probably was in the front one of these

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Rikrikrik wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 15:21
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 12:53
PinkFloydPulse wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 10:52
6 months too late with that tbh... but better now than never. Let's see what the future brings, but it cannot get much worse than this...
Actually can... this year all the team pushing in the good direction ,except one team,Aston. They says the 25 car looks promissing,but this all marketing for Aston stocks and etcetera. In F1 no miracle...
Maybe now, with bob bell and others in front and Fallow out of the way, maybe can AMR25 could be better than how he is today, but, i think they will start 2025 fighting in the back row, around p13-p14. I know fallow is not the unique responsable about AMR24, but, all of us remeber, last year they had conflicts between factory team and track team about where the development should move in. Fallow probably was in the front one of these

Wonder how up to speed BB is on AMR24?

One day I really like to understand what a TD does....

Remember what happened to McLaren after Keys left? No they weren't locked out!! :)

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Rikrikrik wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 15:21
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 12:53
PinkFloydPulse wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 10:52
6 months too late with that tbh... but better now than never. Let's see what the future brings, but it cannot get much worse than this...
Actually can... this year all the team pushing in the good direction ,except one team,Aston. They says the 25 car looks promissing,but this all marketing for Aston stocks and etcetera. In F1 no miracle...
Maybe now, with bob bell and others in front and Fallow out of the way, maybe can AMR25 could be better than how he is today, but, i think they will start 2025 fighting in the back row, around p13-p14. I know fallow is not the unique responsable about AMR24, but, all of us remeber, last year they had conflicts between factory team and track team about where the development should move in. Fallow probably was in the front one of these

You'd think that with Fallows STRONG aero background, that their problem is suspension.

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diffuser wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 18:01
Rikrikrik wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 15:21
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 12:53


Actually can... this year all the team pushing in the good direction ,except one team,Aston. They says the 25 car looks promissing,but this all marketing for Aston stocks and etcetera. In F1 no miracle...
Maybe now, with bob bell and others in front and Fallow out of the way, maybe can AMR25 could be better than how he is today, but, i think they will start 2025 fighting in the back row, around p13-p14. I know fallow is not the unique responsable about AMR24, but, all of us remeber, last year they had conflicts between factory team and track team about where the development should move in. Fallow probably was in the front one of these

Wonder how up to speed BB is on AMR24?

One day I really like to understand what a TD does....

Remember what happened to McLaren after Keys left? No they weren't locked out!! :)
They say bb is temporary until a future decision. The technical director is responsible for everything, so also the suspension.

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Sherrinford wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 19:19
diffuser wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 18:01
Rikrikrik wrote:
13 Nov 2024, 15:21
Maybe now, with bob bell and others in front and Fallow out of the way, maybe can AMR25 could be better than how he is today, but, i think they will start 2025 fighting in the back row, around p13-p14. I know fallow is not the unique responsable about AMR24, but, all of us remeber, last year they had conflicts between factory team and track team about where the development should move in. Fallow probably was in the front one of these

Wonder how up to speed BB is on AMR24?

One day I really like to understand what a TD does....

Remember what happened to McLaren after Keys left? No they weren't locked out!! :)
They say bb is temporary until a future decision. The technical director is responsible for everything, so also the suspension.
Right but they're waiting for Newey and Cardile , Cardile doesn't join till June 2025 ....

being responsible doesn't say what he does.