2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[taperoo2k]

Well there's two contrasting opinions in there, which is why I thought it was a decent read. One suggesting that Lando will learn and grow, from DC, and EJ saying that Lando hasn't ever demonstrated that he can ever be on Maxs level and therefore he thinks he won't step up.

Lando doesn't need to be on Max's level. He just has to perfect his own driving style and be smarter in how he approaches Max. Max is beatable, Lewis almost managed it in 2021.
Pretty sure Lando will learn a lot from this season.

It doesn't mean be like Max, it means drive to his level of ability, or close. Brakes were not the difference at Brazil though they won't have helped, there's just a gulf in class and ability. Some think he can close that gap, some don't.

Lando has to develop his talent to it's highest level possible, then you'll find out how it compares to
Max's level. Assuming McLaren and Redbull are battling it out for the titles again. Ferrari could well join the party in 2025.

As for Max in the wet? It came together beautifully for him. Those kinds of races don't happen that often.

[mwillems]

I don't think Lando has even got to Max's level from 3 years back, yet. And these kinds of insane in the wet performances from Max are very far from rare. He's the best at finding the limit in the wet and just staying inside. Lando doesn't come close.

[mwillems]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

[BMMR61]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

Some of the assumptions are very spurious. Most of all the assumption is that in every case Lando should be beating Oscar for pace, the reality is there were times where Oscar was quicker, in any event they were quite closely matched. The judgements on the team I thought were fair. The strategy side of McLaren are definitely "amateur hour" and in his ethos of no blame, Stella has allowed Randy (and Will) to keep their positions where a shift of roles would appear to be needed. I'm very unimpressed by Will Joseph and the lack of decision hierarchy that should be happening. As if the lessons of Sochi 2021 haven't been learned. Silverstone was woeful by any team standard. Taking aside my team papaya hat, it's clear that Lando isn't ready to be WDC and McLaren if they win the WCC will have done so thanks to an unacceptably bad number two driver at Red Bull.

[Watto]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

Some of the assumptions are very spurious. Most of all the assumption is that in every case Lando should be beating Oscar for pace, the reality is there were times where Oscar was quicker, in any event they were quite closely matched. The judgements on the team I thought were fair. The strategy side of McLaren are definitely "amateur hour" and in his ethos of no blame, Stella has allowed Randy (and Will) to keep their positions where a shift of roles would appear to be needed. I'm very unimpressed by Will Joseph and the lack of decision hierarchy that should be happening. As if the lessons of Sochi 2021 haven't been learned. Silverstone was woeful by any team standard. Taking aside my team papaya hat, it's clear that Lando isn't ready to be WDC and McLaren if they win the WCC will have done so thanks to an unacceptably bad number two driver at Red Bull.

There was one other race that stands out to me that was poorly organized. And maybe I am being too critical here. I can't recall the exact race but Oscar was leading early ( think Lando was on pole can't quite recall)

From memory the gave Lando the preference on pits to protect him from the undercut of iirc Lewis? Behind him - that was fair enough But it gave Lando the lead - that places would be swapped back. Might have been 2 pit stops that did the same thing I can't quite recall all the details now but Lando was reluctant to give the place back and finally did near the last lap. Felt like either Lando should have realized give the spot back and give himself time to overtake Oscar on track. Perhaps too where Will should have talked that through with him. Or Lando could have gone the nuclear option that Max or Vettel have in the past and ignored team instructions. It wouldn't have gone down well obviously It felt a little like Lando trying to prove a point he could have won. Always felt like a failure for either Lando to stamp his authority on the team and claw back some ground on Max either by not yeilding or giving the place back early and pushing Oscar hard - I tend to think that would have been the Lewis response wihis interteam battles. Landos lack of experence battling for the WDC and race wins I can understand but maybe where the team needed to talk to him.

[Ben1980]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

It's generally all about if Lando had been perfect or done more. While ignoring if everyone else had been perfect or done more.

It's a bit clickbaity.

[mwillems]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

It's generally all about if Lando had been perfect or done more. While ignoring if everyone else had been perfect or done more.

It's a bit clickbaity.

Still haven't gone over it. Definitely true that no one is perfect. The idea that all those points should be collected is daft. But I don't think that's the point of the article. Seems more about highlighting that the championship could have been much closer, and Lando be in strong contention today had some of his racing and the teams
calls been a bit better.

But I only posted it because it's a constant topic of where points were lost. As an opinion piece I thought this was worth a read.

[PapayaFan481]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

Some of the assumptions are very spurious. Most of all the assumption is that in every case Lando should be beating Oscar for pace, the reality is there were times where Oscar was quicker, in any event they were quite closely matched. The judgements on the team I thought were fair. The strategy side of McLaren are definitely "amateur hour" and in his ethos of no blame, Stella has allowed Randy (and Will) to keep their positions where a shift of roles would appear to be needed. I'm very unimpressed by Will Joseph and the lack of decision hierarchy that should be happening. As if the lessons of Sochi 2021 haven't been learned. Silverstone was woeful by any team standard. Taking aside my team papaya hat, it's clear that Lando isn't ready to be WDC and McLaren if they win the WCC will have done so thanks to an unacceptably bad number two driver at Red Bull.

Agreed and I hope that they'll change this once Will Courtenay starts his role given how strong Red Bull have been with strategy.

[the66]

Just putting this for discussion, I haven't had chance to digest it, but it suggests where Lando and the team may have lost points.

https://www.racefans.net/2024/11/14/nor ... erstappen/

Some of the assumptions are very spurious. Most of all the assumption is that in every case Lando should be beating Oscar for pace, the reality is there were times where Oscar was quicker, in any event they were quite closely matched. The judgements on the team I thought were fair. The strategy side of McLaren are definitely "amateur hour" and in his ethos of no blame, Stella has allowed Randy (and Will) to keep their positions where a shift of roles would appear to be needed. I'm very unimpressed by Will Joseph and the lack of decision hierarchy that should be happening. As if the lessons of Sochi 2021 haven't been learned. Silverstone was woeful by any team standard. Taking aside my team papaya hat, it's clear that Lando isn't ready to be WDC and McLaren if they win the WCC will have done so thanks to an unacceptably bad number two driver at Red Bull.

Another 'strongly agree' here too, strategy has been weak and hopefully they can pick it up soon, esp for next year. Talk of how close Lando and Oscar are, or aren't, isn't 'a thing' imo - they are both extremely capable young guys and the future will tell, they're both on a learning curve, still.
Mentally Oscar has it I think. Lando could quite easily step this up by ditching Will Joseph and having a race engineer in the mould of Jock Clear, a proper motivator. Question is (in my head!) do McLaren have that type of person to step in, and do they think the same as forum guys that make these comments

[Balalu]

WCC is won by the team, like a chain, and a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If McLaren win the WCC, it's because McLaren is the stronger team, no excuses.

[Ben1980]

Is it another mad Saturday night into Subday Morning race?

[bananapeel23]

Is it another mad Saturday night into Subday Morning race?

No, because Vegas is a saturday race.

[mwillems]

Is it another mad Saturday night into Subday Morning race?

No, because Vegas is a saturday race.

It starts at 10pm on the Saturday evening in Vegas and the session narrowly misses going into Sunday with an official cut off time of midnight. It's another mad start time leading into the Sunday morning, as "the race" also includes the podiums and interviews that many people watch, going well into the early hours of Sunday morning. I don't think he means the race solely as the on track part of the session, but the general race coverage, certainly that's how I read it.

[Ben1980]

Is it another mad Saturday night into Subday Morning race?

No, because Vegas is a saturday race.

Well Sunday for me. And I think its Saturday night into early Sunday LV time.

[Ben1980]

Is it another mad Saturday night into Subday Morning race?

No, because Vegas is a saturday race.

It starts at 10pm on the Saturday evening in Vegas and the session narrowly misses going into Sunday with an official cut off time of midnight. It's another mad start time leading into the Sunday morning, as "the race" also includes the podiums and interviews that many people watch, going well into the early hours of Sunday morning. I don't think he means the race solely as the on track part of the session, but the general race coverage, certainly that's how I read it.

All I recalled from ladt year was it being midnight with cars on track.

I think any race that could feasibly be running as the days change, can be classed as mad.

But 6am in the UK. That's OK.