2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[KimiRai]

Could be the AMR23 Brazil 2023 or it could be Bahrein 2023 ( At the time Alonso said to the team "do not touch the car from Bahrein 2023 to Monaco 2023).

AMR23 is not coming back. Whether they might return to some ideas that were found in the AMR23 is a different thing.

Thanks for the article very interesting. So Fallows job will be split between Blandin and Furbatto. Both of them have impressive CVs. With Blandin new head of aerodynamics and Furbatto as TD?

No. Please read the article properly...

[Nikosar]

Could be the AMR23 Brazil 2023 or it could be Bahrein 2023 ( At the time Alonso said to the team "do not touch the car from Bahrein 2023 to Monaco 2023).

AMR23 is not coming back. Whether they might return to some ideas that were found in the AMR23 is a different thing.

Thanks for the article very interesting. So Fallows job will be split between Blandin and Furbatto. Both of them have impressive CVs. With Blandin new head of aerodynamics and Furbatto as TD?

No. Please read the article properly...

It is just a potential guessing on how the structure will evolve, I did not say Furbatto will be the TD.

He joined as an Engineering Director under Green as CTO. So if we translate the Italian article, it says he will cover the mechanical aspect of the car. So maybe he stays in his position maybe he shift to a more dedicated position.

Of course they are now going back to the AMR23 as data shows that the AMR24 is faster since Bahrein 2024. But I guess the article mean going back to the AMR23 philosophy.

[AR3-GP]

Michael Schmidt (AMUS) said Mercedes has the lowest ground clearance and Aston Martin has the second lowest ground clearance in the paddock.

[diffuser]

Michael Schmidt (AMUS) said Mercedes has the lowest ground clearance and Aston Martin has the second lowest ground clearance in the paddock.

Which makes it sound like they're lacking DF and the only way to make it up is get closer to the ground which then leads to other issues/fluctuations.

If that's even true ...how do they know ?

[diffuser]

Could be the AMR23 Brazil 2023 or it could be Bahrein 2023 ( At the time Alonso said to the team "do not touch the car from Bahrein 2023 to Monaco 2023).

AMR23 is not coming back. Whether they might return to some ideas that were found in the AMR23 is a different thing.

Thanks for the article very interesting. So Fallows job will be split between Blandin and Furbatto. Both of them have impressive CVs. With Blandin new head of aerodynamics and Furbatto as TD?

No. Please read the article properly...

It is just a potential guessing on how the structure will evolve, I did not say Furbatto will be the TD.

He joined as an Engineering Director under Green as CTO. So if we translate the Italian article, it says he will cover the mechanical aspect of the car. So maybe he stays in his position maybe he shift to a more dedicated position.

Of course they are now going back to the AMR23 as data shows that the AMR24 is faster since Bahrein 2024. But I guess the article mean going back to the AMR23 philosophy.

In reference to Luca Furbatto and Blandin's, the article just says they're are gonna keep doing what they have been doing. Their responsibilities haven't changed as of now.

[Nikosar]

AMuS reports Newey to become Aston's Technical Director

[AR3-GP]

That didn't take long.

[TyreSlip]

It makes you wonder how long Fallows knew the writing on the wall.

[SealTheRealDeal]

So the correlation Fallows described as being the problem was the interaction between the floor and the ground in different turn scenarios(speed, bumps, roughness of the pavements, etc). Maybe the Merc WT just doesn't have the tools to look into that? It wasn't that they didn't achieve the DF levels. It was that it fluctuated to the point that the drivers lost confidence in the car.

I would find it strange if the Mercedes windtunnel didn't have the right tools considering they were the highest spender in the sport before the budget cap.

There wasn't anybody looking at the aero under a flat floor that was the only thing allowed prior to the reg change of 2022. Just the diffuser.

Didn't pre-2022 cars still generate a lot of downforce from the floor, and wouldn't they have therefore wanted to look at how different rake angles and ride heights impact underbody flow?

[Waz]

Maybe they found a way to use the AMR23 front wing concept legally for next year, with the FIAs relaxed attitude to blatantly flexing.

I don't know how they would go back at the rear, unless Mercedes makes the 2023 suspension available to them, like they have with Williams.

[Waz]

I would find it strange if the Mercedes windtunnel didn't have the right tools considering they were the highest spender in the sport before the budget cap.

There wasn't anybody looking at the aero under a flat floor that was the only thing allowed prior to the reg change of 2022. Just the diffuser.

Didn't pre-2022 cars still generate a lot of downforce from the floor, and wouldn't they have therefore wanted to look at how different rake angles and ride heights impact underbody flow?

Pre-22 floors were anything but flat. I am sure the main difference might have been a minimum ride height that's been done away with for ground effect.

And much more sophisticated suspensions that would have easily damped out any porpoising. They didn't need to control the effect because the suspension would have done it without anyone even noticing.

[organic]

Maybe they found a way to use the AMR23 front wing concept legally for next year, with the FIAs relaxed attitude to blatantly flexing.

I don't know how they would go back at the rear, unless Mercedes makes the 2023 suspension available to them, like they have with Williams.

The success in early '23 was a combination of the front wing trick and other teams stumbling. Of course now that the flexing seems to be widespread and accepted (at least at the moment) it's possible to reintroduce it. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a magic bullet for amr problems. Considering they struggle to make any progress with iterations of floors the issues lie elsewhere in my opinion

The 2023 rear end probably isn't faster than the current one either.

[collindsilva]

Maybe they found a way to use the AMR23 front wing concept legally for next year, with the FIAs relaxed attitude to blatantly flexing.

I don't know how they would go back at the rear, unless Mercedes makes the 2023 suspension available to them, like they have with Williams.

The success in early '23 was a combination of the front wing trick and other teams stumbling. Of course now that the flexing seems to be widespread and accepted (at least at the moment) it's possible to reintroduce it. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a magic bullet for amr problems. Considering they struggle to make any progress with iterations of floors the issues lie elsewhere in my opinion

The 2023 rear end probably isn't faster than the current one either.

Are both cars need to be same spec, can they not use 23 spec suspension and 24 spec suspension on each of the cars.

[diffuser]

There wasn't anybody looking at the aero under a flat floor that was the only thing allowed prior to the reg change of 2022. Just the diffuser.

Didn't pre-2022 cars still generate a lot of downforce from the floor, and wouldn't they have therefore wanted to look at how different rake angles and ride heights impact underbody flow?

Pre-22 floors were anything but flat. I am sure the main difference might have been a minimum ride height that's been done away with for ground effect.

And much more sophisticated suspensions that would have easily damped out any porpoising. They didn't need to control the effect because the suspension would have done it without anyone even noticing.

From the front till the diffuser the floor was absolutely legislated flat. In fact it sat on 25mm step and the 10mm plank. That left a 35mm gap from the floor edge to the ground.

No tunnels before 2022, floor edge is allowed to come down 15mm from the 35mm plank and step. Diffuser were alot smaller. Current F1 cars generate 65% of their DF from the floor. In 2021 it was less than 45% and really that DF came from the front edge of the floor and the diffuser. Almost no df came from the middle.

[Farnborough]

Maybe they found a way to use the AMR23 front wing concept legally for next year, with the FIAs relaxed attitude to blatantly flexing.

I don't know how they would go back at the rear, unless Mercedes makes the 2023 suspension available to them, like they have with Williams.

The success in early '23 was a combination of the front wing trick and other teams stumbling. Of course now that the flexing seems to be widespread and accepted (at least at the moment) it's possible to reintroduce it. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a magic bullet for amr problems. Considering they struggle to make any progress with iterations of floors the issues lie elsewhere in my opinion

The 2023 rear end probably isn't faster than the current one either.

Are both cars need to be same spec, can they not use 23 spec suspension and 24 spec suspension on each of the cars.

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.