2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

The success in early '23 was a combination of the front wing trick and other teams stumbling. Of course now that the flexing seems to be widespread and accepted (at least at the moment) it's possible to reintroduce it. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a magic bullet for amr problems. Considering they struggle to make any progress with iterations of floors the issues lie elsewhere in my opinion

The 2023 rear end probably isn't faster than the current one either.

Are both cars need to be same spec, can they not use 23 spec suspension and 24 spec suspension on each of the cars.

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.

Krack said their problem in the wind tunnel. What working in the windtunnel that didn't working on the track. He also mentioned the windtunnel floor that is not match with the actual track asphalt or bitumen. They have problems with vortex which in the windtunnel stuck to the car but in real life is separate much earlier. He said is in numbers just 2-3% loss but in F1 is a huge amount especially if you can't identify the problem. Also the car model and the wind speed in the tunnel are much smaller than in real life so maybe that's the problem . One thing is sure, they have serious correlation problem between the tunnel and rear life or even simulator.

[diffuser]

Are both cars need to be same spec, can they not use 23 spec suspension and 24 spec suspension on each of the cars.

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.

Krack said their problem in the wind tunnel. What working in the windtunnel that didn't working on the track. He also mentioned the windtunnel floor that is not match with the actual track asphalt or bitumen. They have problems with vortex which in the windtunnel stuck to the car but in real life is separate much earlier. He said is in numbers just 2-3% loss but in F1 is a huge amount especially if you can't identify the problem. Also the car model and the wind speed in the tunnel are much smaller than in real life so maybe that's the problem . One thing is sure, they have serious correlation problem between the tunnel and rear life or even simulator.

You mean CFD not simulator. It's expected...the tunnel is used to correlate the CFD...Then the CFD is used to do aero work that you can't do cause of Limited WT time. if you can't see the problem in the WT, you're really f*cked in CFD.

Where is that link though with Krack saying all that?

[Waz]

The success in early '23 was a combination of the front wing trick and other teams stumbling. Of course now that the flexing seems to be widespread and accepted (at least at the moment) it's possible to reintroduce it. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a magic bullet for amr problems. Considering they struggle to make any progress with iterations of floors the issues lie elsewhere in my opinion

The 2023 rear end probably isn't faster than the current one either.

Are both cars need to be same spec, can they not use 23 spec suspension and 24 spec suspension on each of the cars.

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.

It's become an aero problem under these regulations because they don't have the sophisticated suspensions to deal with it.

The biggest gains by Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of operating window have all come after a suspension upgrade.

The biggest loss by Red Bull is a rumoured suspension trick that got removed.

[Rikrikrik]

Are both cars need to be same spec, can they not use 23 spec suspension and 24 spec suspension on each of the cars.

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.

It's become an aero problem under these regulations because they don't have the sophisticated suspensions to deal with it.

The biggest gains by Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of operating window have all come after a suspension upgrade.

The biggest loss by Red Bull is a rumoured suspension trick that got removed.

The major problem in AM is the front suspension no? i never can undertand why they didnt change that front suspension during the season. Someone can clarify to me?

[Z-one]

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.

It's become an aero problem under these regulations because they don't have the sophisticated suspensions to deal with it.

The biggest gains by Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of operating window have all come after a suspension upgrade.

The biggest loss by Red Bull is a rumoured suspension trick that got removed.

The major problem in AM is the front suspension no? i never can undertand why they didnt change that front suspension during the season. Someone can clarify to me?

the geo of front suspension is determined to the monocoque or chassis，and the position of link is so-called hard spot，if you want to change the the geo of front suspension，like from pull to push，you should change the monocoque，which means you bulid a new car，and the monocoque should pass the crash test again，this is a lot of work，and regulation also ban redesigning monocoque or chassis

[diffuser]

As I understand it, the problem derives solely from the aero load map/implementation, the worse that is, the more the suspension LOOKS to be the problem.
Particularly, its loosing control of the accumulation curve at peak load that PROVIDES the dynamic, then to need ultimate mechanical control that can't be successful incorporated into design of suspension "curve" response.

The small detail changes that McL, Ferrari & RB are chasing under the floor is how that area of characteristics are being mitigated.

It's become an aero problem under these regulations because they don't have the sophisticated suspensions to deal with it.

The biggest gains by Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of operating window have all come after a suspension upgrade.

The biggest loss by Red Bull is a rumoured suspension trick that got removed.

The major problem in AM is the front suspension no? i never can undertand why they didnt change that front suspension during the season. Someone can clarify to me?

I'm with Farnborough.

[FNTC]

Newey should have some valuable insights for the suspension, the only question is how air tight his gardening leave is. Maybe he can give some hints for the 25 car, we will see.

[KimiRai]

This is just blindly pointing at stuff which we have no idea about, it keeps going around in circles

[AR3-GP]

Dan Fallows' removal as technical director at Aston Martin came as the team hadn't matched its expectations for 2024, according to performance director Tom McCullough.

"The performance of the team this year hasn't been at the level that we've all been wanting it to be at. So we haven't quite delivered there. And that's basically been a decision made by the team," McCullough said.

"I sat next to Dan for the last two or three years since he's been here, working closely with him, he had a really big impact on the development of the '22 car, the '23 car, he's brought a lot to the team, to be honest.

"The development of these cars has been hard and ultimately it's a performance-based industry, isn't it? And the team's made the decision to make some changes."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/perf ... ock-anchor

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Newey should have some valuable insights for the suspension, the only question is how air tight his gardening leave is. Maybe he can give some hints for the 25 car, we will see.

Newey is important for AM ,because he seen and knows all the tools what Redbull used in the factory,simulator,windtunnel. I mean you can have the best engineers around you if your tools are not good or don't have . In 25 minimum after summer break I except Aston to be in top 10 just because of new windtunnel. I'm confident, that Mercedes windtunnel "---". Even Totto said after Austin,they found some correlation issues again.

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/toto-w ... e-package/

[Sherrinford]

Newey is a phenomenon with CFD, in general I think in everything. He has been working in F1 for years and years, car generation etc. Time to time

[diffuser]

Wonder what floors they will run? If they were able to repair any of the Suzuka floors ?

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Wonder what floors they will run? If they were able to repair any of the Suzuka floors ?

It's pretty easy and fast to repair in the factory, if just few hang outs broke down.

[Waz]

This is just blindly pointing at stuff which we have no idea about, it keeps going around in circles

That doesn't change that we know some teams have experienced an improvement in performance after a suspension upgrade. None of them changed geometry - it was all damper related.

Mercedes upgraded front and rear suspensions this year with different damper components or systems. I couldn't get an answer about whether those rear changes were something that would be available to Aston or not.