2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 19:31
deadhead wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 17:58
HAM is certainly an upgrade over SAI in all departments as far as racing is concerned and that’s the most important bit for the team.
Hamilton is less crash prone than Sainz, but Sainz is a better qualifier now. Like Hamilton said about himself, his qualifying pace is slipping away. I would say it's more of a sidegrade. Hamilton is unlikely to be worse than Sainz but also unlikely to be much better in terms of points. That's fine because if he drives at the same level as Sainz but crashes less, Ferrari will win the WCC...

The real upgrade is the image, experience, and other resources Hamilton will bring with him. I am very excited to see what Ferrari and Hamilton do together in terms of branding. Ferrari (the whole company) already has a solid reputation but having Lewis freaking Hamilton can really elevate it if they leverage him properly.

Also (not directed at you) can people please stop arguing about Russell vs Hamilton in the FERRARI thread :x
I would be willing to bet that current form HAM will have no problem outscoring top form SAI over a full season but we can disagree..

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deadhead wrote:
20 Nov 2024, 03:54
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 19:31
deadhead wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 17:58
HAM is certainly an upgrade over SAI in all departments as far as racing is concerned and that’s the most important bit for the team.
Hamilton is less crash prone than Sainz, but Sainz is a better qualifier now. Like Hamilton said about himself, his qualifying pace is slipping away. I would say it's more of a sidegrade. Hamilton is unlikely to be worse than Sainz but also unlikely to be much better in terms of points. That's fine because if he drives at the same level as Sainz but crashes less, Ferrari will win the WCC...

The real upgrade is the image, experience, and other resources Hamilton will bring with him. I am very excited to see what Ferrari and Hamilton do together in terms of branding. Ferrari (the whole company) already has a solid reputation but having Lewis freaking Hamilton can really elevate it if they leverage him properly.

Also (not directed at you) can people please stop arguing about Russell vs Hamilton in the FERRARI thread :x
I would be willing to bet that current form HAM will have no problem outscoring top form SAI over a full season but we can disagree..
Lewis isn't even outscoring Russell who himself isn't even having a phenomenal year and had lost 25pts from a DSQ (32 pt swing to ham with that dsq)...

But let's just wait and see what happens at Ferrari. Lewis' level goes up and down a lot depending on his level of motivation, focus and how much the car suits him so it's difficult to judge these things. If the current trajectory continues then he'll have a chance to fight for the WDC and that will be a big motivator

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Nice insight into simulator operations during the race weekend

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10674590/

Eric Van deer Veen, a Dutch engineer who follows the development of the SF-24 in the simulator, reveals how the drivers who are at home help find the correctives after the work on the track carried out by Leclerc and Sainz in free practice. You experience solutions and setup correctives to improve performance. A dark but precious commitment.

Ferrari needs to bring home a positive result from the Las Vegas GP if they want to give continuity to the battle for the Constructors’ World Championship when there are three races at the end of the 2024 season. Eric Van der Veen, a 37-year-old Dutchman, is one of the engineers of the Racing Department who works on the simulator following the sessions that the drivers do in preparation for the GPs.

The native technician from Breda, in addition to explaining in detail what are the pitfalls of a very particular city track like Las Vegas, accompanies us to understand what happens in the Maranello simulator, after the two drivers carried out free practice with the SF-24. It is an activity that is usually considered top secret by the teams and Van del Veen opens a window on the work of the testers who remain obscure, as precious.

Eric tells us what are the pitfalls of the track on the Strip...

“Las Vegas is one of those tracks that seems easy if you only look at the track, but it’s actually very insidious. There are only five sequences of corners, but they are all at low speed with large braking zones, and some are cyque. The large braking zones must be tackled perfectly even when traveling at speeds above 340 km/h, which requires a high downforce to give the driver the necessary confidence to brake, travel the corners and accelerate again to face the long straights immediately, where it is necessary little drag and low downforce”.

The long straights favor a drop in temperature of both the brakes and the tires...

“The large braking zones at the end of the straights, on the other hand, have new pitfalls, because the driver has to manage the collapse of the brake temperature and tires. To all this is added the fact of racing on a street circuit, where the margin of error is always reduced to a minimum. Finally, Las Vegas is in the desert and you run at night, when temperatures can drop even below 10 degrees, which makes it difficult to bring the tires immediately into the right temperature window in qualifying, and just as difficult to keep them inside that window in the race. As mentioned, the tyres cool further on the long straights, thus creating a uniquely challenging environment for teams and drivers.”

Last year you had very few data to use in the simulator, which was the only tool available to help the drivers and the team in preparing for this new circuit. Now that you have real track data, what role does the simulator play?
“If we compare what we knew last year with what we know this year, the situation is completely different. If the track model we used last year was based on drawings, this year we have a complete representation of the track and the asphalt. Having all the data from 2023 available, we can have a much more accurate prediction of what we expect to happen this year. This means that engineers and drivers, and I’m talking about both Carlos and Charles and the drivers who support us in the simulator, were able to better prepare the weekend both to familiarize themselves with the track and to configure the car.”

Did both the starter drivers work in the simulator?
“As usual, Charles and Carlos were in the simulator, they worked on the driving style and setups to try to get ready in Las Vegas, as well as to be prepared to face conditions potentially different from what we expect. It is in these cases that the simulator is an extremely powerful tool and the preparation sessions are really valuable to allow the riders to optimize their driving style for a specific track.”

But let’s come to understand what kind of support can you guarantee with the simulator to the team on track during the day of Friday with the two free practice sessions?
“The program of the driver in the simulator on the day of free practice involves a preparation work that focuses mainly on the optimization of the individual corners, since there are so few sequences of folds in which the drivers can make the difference”.

“It’s crucial that the drivers on the track have a car that allows them to push them to the limit without exceeding it, as the corners are tight and blind. So the simulator is mainly on the balance and on the driving style in corners, sometimes crossing the limit and touching the walls – fortunately the simulator the damage is not real (there is only one backlash to make the driver understand that he hit something!). Usually, in the sessions where we support the team on the track we use the laps made tested and reproduce exactly the conditions, set-ups and driving style.”

So, after reproducing the activity carried out in the free practice, look for useful solutions to improve performance?
“In this way we can identify the strengths and weaknesses of the car, we try to improve the performance and we provide this feedback to the team on the track, which will then be able to work on the settings accordingly. We also use these sessions to understand what to expect in case weather conditions change over the weekend – for example, temperatures, direction and wind intensity can vary from day to day, or even during a single session. By reproducing these weather conditions in the simulator we can tell the drivers what to expect, allowing them to get the most out of the car even before they get on track.”
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
20 Nov 2024, 15:26
Nice insight into simulator operations during the race weekend

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10674590/

Eric Van deer Veen, a Dutch engineer who follows the development of the SF-24 in the simulator, reveals how the drivers who are at home help find the correctives after the work on the track carried out by Leclerc and Sainz in free practice. You experience solutions and setup correctives to improve performance. A dark but precious commitment.

Ferrari needs to bring home a positive result from the Las Vegas GP if they want to give continuity to the battle for the Constructors’ World Championship when there are three races at the end of the 2024 season. Eric Van der Veen, a 37-year-old Dutchman, is one of the engineers of the Racing Department who works on the simulator following the sessions that the drivers do in preparation for the GPs.

The native technician from Breda, in addition to explaining in detail what are the pitfalls of a very particular city track like Las Vegas, accompanies us to understand what happens in the Maranello simulator, after the two drivers carried out free practice with the SF-24. It is an activity that is usually considered top secret by the teams and Van del Veen opens a window on the work of the testers who remain obscure, as precious.

Eric tells us what are the pitfalls of the track on the Strip...

“Las Vegas is one of those tracks that seems easy if you only look at the track, but it’s actually very insidious. There are only five sequences of corners, but they are all at low speed with large braking zones, and some are cyque. The large braking zones must be tackled perfectly even when traveling at speeds above 340 km/h, which requires a high downforce to give the driver the necessary confidence to brake, travel the corners and accelerate again to face the long straights immediately, where it is necessary little drag and low downforce”.

The long straights favor a drop in temperature of both the brakes and the tires...

“The large braking zones at the end of the straights, on the other hand, have new pitfalls, because the driver has to manage the collapse of the brake temperature and tires. To all this is added the fact of racing on a street circuit, where the margin of error is always reduced to a minimum. Finally, Las Vegas is in the desert and you run at night, when temperatures can drop even below 10 degrees, which makes it difficult to bring the tires immediately into the right temperature window in qualifying, and just as difficult to keep them inside that window in the race. As mentioned, the tyres cool further on the long straights, thus creating a uniquely challenging environment for teams and drivers.”

Last year you had very few data to use in the simulator, which was the only tool available to help the drivers and the team in preparing for this new circuit. Now that you have real track data, what role does the simulator play?
“If we compare what we knew last year with what we know this year, the situation is completely different. If the track model we used last year was based on drawings, this year we have a complete representation of the track and the asphalt. Having all the data from 2023 available, we can have a much more accurate prediction of what we expect to happen this year. This means that engineers and drivers, and I’m talking about both Carlos and Charles and the drivers who support us in the simulator, were able to better prepare the weekend both to familiarize themselves with the track and to configure the car.”

Did both the starter drivers work in the simulator?
“As usual, Charles and Carlos were in the simulator, they worked on the driving style and setups to try to get ready in Las Vegas, as well as to be prepared to face conditions potentially different from what we expect. It is in these cases that the simulator is an extremely powerful tool and the preparation sessions are really valuable to allow the riders to optimize their driving style for a specific track.”

But let’s come to understand what kind of support can you guarantee with the simulator to the team on track during the day of Friday with the two free practice sessions?
“The program of the driver in the simulator on the day of free practice involves a preparation work that focuses mainly on the optimization of the individual corners, since there are so few sequences of folds in which the drivers can make the difference”.

“It’s crucial that the drivers on the track have a car that allows them to push them to the limit without exceeding it, as the corners are tight and blind. So the simulator is mainly on the balance and on the driving style in corners, sometimes crossing the limit and touching the walls – fortunately the simulator the damage is not real (there is only one backlash to make the driver understand that he hit something!). Usually, in the sessions where we support the team on the track we use the laps made tested and reproduce exactly the conditions, set-ups and driving style.”

So, after reproducing the activity carried out in the free practice, look for useful solutions to improve performance?
“In this way we can identify the strengths and weaknesses of the car, we try to improve the performance and we provide this feedback to the team on the track, which will then be able to work on the settings accordingly. We also use these sessions to understand what to expect in case weather conditions change over the weekend – for example, temperatures, direction and wind intensity can vary from day to day, or even during a single session. By reproducing these weather conditions in the simulator we can tell the drivers what to expect, allowing them to get the most out of the car even before they get on track.”
So all in all they know they won't be competitive during quali in advance :D

Joke aside, these things are really amazing tools

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AMuS reports that some teams were using protective plates over the skid blocks. The FIA has clarified the regulation and made this illegal. Ferrari is one of the teams said to be affected along with Mercedes and Haas.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 07:01
AMuS reports that some teams were using protective plates over the skid blocks. The FIA has clarified the regulation and made this illegal. Ferrari is one of the teams said to be affected along with Mercedes and Haas.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
The article mentions 5 teams, do we know which are the other teams apart from Ferrari, Merc and Haas.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 07:01
AMuS reports that some teams were using protective plates over the skid blocks. The FIA has clarified the regulation and made this illegal. Ferrari is one of the teams said to be affected along with Mercedes and Haas.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
I will be very sad if Ferrari is set back for the second time with a floor related change. :(

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collindsilva wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:17
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 07:01
AMuS reports that some teams were using protective plates over the skid blocks. The FIA has clarified the regulation and made this illegal. Ferrari is one of the teams said to be affected along with Mercedes and Haas.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
The article mentions 5 teams, do we know which are the other teams apart from Ferrari, Merc and Haas.
My own speculation but I’d say McLaren will be one, with all the mud throwing by Red Bull and McLaren recently I wouldn’t be surprised if Red Bulls main objective with this was to slow McLaren down. It’ll be a case of two birds, one stone that Ferrari are effected too.
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:41
collindsilva wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:17
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 07:01
AMuS reports that some teams were using protective plates over the skid blocks. The FIA has clarified the regulation and made this illegal. Ferrari is one of the teams said to be affected along with Mercedes and Haas.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
The article mentions 5 teams, do we know which are the other teams apart from Ferrari, Merc and Haas.
My own speculation but I’d say McLaren will be one, with all the mud throwing by Red Bull and McLaren recently I wouldn’t be surprised if Red Bulls main objective with this was to slow McLaren down. It’ll be a case of two birds, one stone that Ferrari are effected too.
The AMUS article says Mclaren didn't do it.
A lion must kill its prey.

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According to AMuS, Ferrari tried to push for the TD not to be brought in immediately. To me that indicates that this could be a significant component for their car's setup
A week before the Las Vegas GP, all teams received a letter. In a technical directive, the FIA announced that the protective skids in question were not permitted. This assessment applies with immediate effect. Ferrari would have liked to move the date to the Qatar GP, but were unable to get their way.

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Could be a TD39 all over again if true.

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Dedicated topic is already open, please post all the stuff there only --> viewtopic.php?p=1259163#p1259163
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:45
CjC wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:41
collindsilva wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:17


The article mentions 5 teams, do we know which are the other teams apart from Ferrari, Merc and Haas.
My own speculation but I’d say McLaren will be one, with all the mud throwing by Red Bull and McLaren recently I wouldn’t be surprised if Red Bulls main objective with this was to slow McLaren down. It’ll be a case of two birds, one stone that Ferrari are effected too.
The AMUS article says Mclaren didn't do it.
Oh right. Thank you. It would sound like a classic ‘not read the article properly before commenting’ but I’m my case- I dont have a subscription so I couldn’t read it all :lol:

I retract my comment.
Just a fan's point of view

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Ferrari were supposed to test their 2025 floor this weekend. I wonder if they still will.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 13:55
Ferrari were supposed to test their 2025 floor this weekend. I wonder if they still will.
After such a strong season 2024 turned out to be, they will aim for both titles next year. Testing the floor and determining the right direction on track with updated wind tunnel used for experimental floor is far more important than setup work for one race. Based on assembly photos from last night, seems to me like Leclerc will be running higher wing levels to test this floor and Sainz will focus on Vegas setup in FP1 already.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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