2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[IntrinsicVoid]

Well deserved title, he may be tad over aggressive sometimes and get heated but he has all the champion material ingredients and the and that’s what counts. Hopefully next year the teams are much more closer and as well having better teammate so we can see proper championship battles.

[f1isgood]

Ferrari fans prefer Leclerc and clearly see Sainz as a threat enough to spout enough nonsense about him. It's the same context with other drivers and their teammates. If the teammate is threatening enough, you'll get all kinds of stories. From car development to politics to being nice, anything and everything is a conspiracy.

In the context of Red Bull, as far as I am concerned, Max will be comfortable in making Carlos a proper second driver with a bigger margin than Leclerc.

Red Bull having gone through an internal rift within their ranks probably didn't want one between Jos and Sainz Sr, and the former is extremely abrasive no doubt -- still can't look past his Red Bull will explode comments earlier this year.

Personally Sainz was a great option that Red Bull really shouldn't have missed out on. Horner knew Piastri well before and dropped the ball on him last year -- that's the other big missed option. It was clear Perez wasn't going to be good enough long term -- so that extension before the Monaco 2022 crash and win was really weird, and the latest one as well.

IMHO, Ocon could have been a good 2nd driver to Max (despite that famous Brazil 2018 scuffle). Max has enough 'dirty driver' in him to combat the 'dirty driver' in Ocon. So that cancels out. Apart from that, Ocon is excellent at wheel-to-wheel combat (isn't afraid to stick his nose in) who can take the fight to the competition and hold his place. Most importantly he isn't a 'tentative' driver like Perez (who shows in 1/20 races that he used to be a quick driver) and will commit to a 'move' in the race.

It would not cancel out but add up. We have seen that with Ocon/Gasly.

Ocon and Gasly are much more evenly matched than Verstappen and Ocon/Gasly. It'll hardly matter. Verstappen is too consistent to keep dropping points or even being close to Ocon regularly. At least he is as close to a robot can get in terms of results maximization.

[JordanMugen]

Simply lovely!!!

Fantastic effort from Red Bull Racing - Honda RBPT and Max Verstappen to bring home the 2024 World Driver's title.

At this point I would go for Tsunoda, he IS fast, and seems much more calm now.

Just go for Tsunoda on a one year RBR drive, whilst evaluating Lawson vs Hadjar IMO.

Linblad should then be ready to displace one of the drivers in 2026, assuming F2 goes well. Otherwise RBR has interest in drivers like Russell for 2026 or 2027 depending on how the driver market develops (and, of course, if Red Bull - Ford RBPT is an attractive package or not; will Verstappen choose to reunite with Newey and Honda at Aston Martin etc).

[venkyhere]

Ignore him. He says Tsunoda plateaud where as in truth Liam was over aggressive against Yuki and didn't allow his teammate to take him out. Liam isn't afraid to take out Yuki so Yuki must be smart and make Liam take himself out. Liam has had plenty of time to study Yuki and he has driven the RB20 so he has no excuses to be slow against Yuki.

yuki and lawson have been teammates in multiple racing categories ,so what you are saying is just nonsense.they is a vast body of evidence to compare the two

There is no experience like the experience from racing at highest level.

Anyway,

hoping to keep this sub-thread active until end of season with a scoreboard, starting from Texas GP :
Lawson +2 (started 19th and finished 9th)
Tsunoda 0 (started 10th and finished 14th)

5 more to go.

Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6

3 more to go.

Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2
Vegas: 0

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6
Vegas: +2

2 more to go.

Though I like Lawson more for the Redbull seat (a proper fighter type driver), data says Tsunoda is the guy (more finesse and craft from more experience). Anyway, planning to keep totting up this table until after the last race. Let's see what Marko decides.

[Bill]

There is no experience like the experience from racing at highest level.

Anyway,

hoping to keep this sub-thread active until end of season with a scoreboard, starting from Texas GP :
Lawson +2 (started 19th and finished 9th)
Tsunoda 0 (started 10th and finished 14th)

5 more to go.

Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6

3 more to go.

Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2
Vegas: 0

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6
Vegas: +2

2 more to go.

Though I like Lawson more for the Redbull seat (a proper fighter type driver), data says Tsunoda is the guy (more finesse and craft from more experience). Anyway, planning to keep totting up this table until after the last race. Let's see what Marko decides.

Yuki is untouchable in the desert ,he has a thing for tilke like designed tracks,but anywhere they have already chosen perez .the noise is just about publicity really.redbull has an adversarial relationship with yuki if one of their driver's beat yuki for some reason they celebrate and undermine yuki.if yuki beat his opponent they dismiss it as mere experience.they send drivers to their junior team to beat yuki and put him in his proper place,that just not a healthy work partnership .

[gshevlin]

Today's Motorsport headline is bizarre:

"Red Bull shareholders to decide on Perez's future after Abu Dhabi GP"

This suggests that commercial considerations have trumped racing considerations in this decision process.
Meaning it does not matter how fast Tsunoda or Lawson (or any other driver) actually are, money is trumping results.

[Bill]

Today's Motorsport headline is bizarre:

"Red Bull shareholders to decide on Perez's future after Abu Dhabi GP"

This suggests that commercial considerations have trumped racing considerations in this decision process.
Meaning it does not matter how fast Tsunoda or Lawson (or any other driver) actually are, money is trumping results.

Turkeys voting for Christmas

[lio007]

Another record has been broken:

[Sieper]

Win your first title as late as possible, and the fourth as early as possible. Could have been in Brazil, that would have been befitting.

[continuum16]

Today's Motorsport headline is bizarre:

"Red Bull shareholders to decide on Perez's future after Abu Dhabi GP"

This suggests that commercial considerations have trumped racing considerations in this decision process.
Meaning it does not matter how fast Tsunoda or Lawson (or any other driver) actually are, money is trumping results.

Turkeys voting for Christmas

Honestly. Of all the teams that don’t need money, you’d have to say Red Bull is up there with Ferrari in terms of wealth. I read the article and it’s not super clear if the “shareholders” are just the team management or if this going to the top of Red Bull GmbH. Either way this is the kind of faceless, emotionless, boardroom-style bureaucratic nonsense that you’d expect from someone like Alpine or the VW group. I thought the whole point of not being run by a car manufacturer was that Red Bull could be dynamic and focus on performance but now they’re just looking at the bottom line and sponsors. What a disgrace.

I would be very skeptical that Tsunoda’s test in Abu Dhabi will be objective in any way.

[organic]

Very important to start 2025 off well otherwise it will be an easy decision for Verstappen to jump ship and leave RB without a single decent driver

[chrisc90]

Very important to start 2025 off well otherwise it will be an easy decision for Verstappen to jump ship and leave RB without a single decent driver

I think that is a true statement...BUT make it for 2026. That's when the next big regulation change happens and its a 'ball in anyone's court' for active aero AND a new power unit in the back of the car.

As for F1, I really dont think Max is out there to set new records each year. Yes he does it, but I really really dont think he wants to have 8 WDC titles. I think Max would rather know when he's not at the peak of his performance (whenever that may be) and sit back and pursue his dream of having a race team and running that.

[organic]

There's been an internal truce whilst they pursued the WDC. With that done the gloves will probably come off again

[MYsee]

Today's Motorsport headline is bizarre:

"Red Bull shareholders to decide on Perez's future after Abu Dhabi GP"

This suggests that commercial considerations have trumped racing considerations in this decision process.
Meaning it does not matter how fast Tsunoda or Lawson (or any other driver) actually are, money is trumping results.

This is the entertainment business, so short-term and long-term commercial reasons matter. If it was performance alone, no doubt Sergio would have been gone already; Perez is closer to the VCARB drivers, in a better machine, than he is to Max. The question is where is the tipping point for RB?

[CHT]

RBR should get yuki and perez to swap seats for the last to races.