Dynamic and aerodynamic simulation

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akbar21881
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Dynamic and aerodynamic simulation

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Is there exists a mathematical/computational model or simulation that simulates everything regarding the forces that act on the car? The forces I meant is the interaction between the dynamics, aerodynamics and driver input at any moment during the car movement.

About the dynamics, we know that the motion of the car is explained by the equation of motion. This equation can include the forces in x,y and z direction and their respective derivatives.

We also know that, there is also an equation of motion in terms of aerodynamics. This is the equations that (if I’m not mistaken) relates the aerodynamic force and the effect of control surface deployment on this forces.

By any chance, is there already a simulation that can simulate these two types of forces simultaneously? For instance, while taking the corner which has a radius of 5m, at speed of 70km/h, when the car has certain wing incidence, is it possible to know what is the value lateral and longitudinal force on each tyre, aero loading on each end etc….?

And lastly, is it possible to include driver input into these equations?

Guest
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Free body diagram and you will get there.

And 5m raduis? The loads wont last very long thats for sure!

White Boy
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In terms of modeling all that dynamically, no way. The best you can really do is create a earo-map of the car which is basically a lookup table of what lift and drag values are expected in cirtain circumstances. You certainly couldn't do the equivilent of a CFD analysis for time steps over a whole lap - it would take you years to calculate :) The governing fluid flow equations are not solvable analytically so it needs to solved numerically and iteratively - this is why CFD take so damn long.
But the F1 teams have nice simulation programes that do model the mechanical parts dynamically and use the lookup tables for the aero. They work very well these days apparently.
White Boy
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