2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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Re: 2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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f1isgood wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:35
organic wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:30
f1isgood wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:26


Why do you say that? Last stint Norris seemed like he could have gotten Max on track.
Either red bull fixed their car relative to McLaren or McLaren dropped back relative to themselves, for red bull to be competitive for victories in the dry again (Brazil sprint, Qatar)
This race is also peculiar to the RB20. It's one of those tracks where the car really comes alive. I think RB did some good things at Austin and made the car more good but I would have liked to see that last stint fight. Lando really really seemed alive.
Yea I expect Lando would have won that head-to-head final stint on hards

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Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:35
it just keeps coming, Russell noted for SC infringement
well given that the reason they didn't deploy the SC was because they didn't want to screw him, and gave him a free Pole for an out lap incident, I don't think there will be a position dropping penalty coming his way, I guarantee.

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matt_b wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:40
Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:35
it just keeps coming, Russell noted for SC infringement
well given that the reason they didn't deploy the SC was because they didn't want to screw him, and gave him a free Pole for an out lap incident, I don't think there will be a position dropping penalty coming his way, I guarantee.
5 sec penalty, keeps position

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Well I hope you lot who were chatting about British bias feel stupid now because you look it
Just a fan's point of view

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Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:41
matt_b wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:40
Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:35
it just keeps coming, Russell noted for SC infringement
well given that the reason they didn't deploy the SC was because they didn't want to screw him, and gave him a free Pole for an out lap incident, I don't think there will be a position dropping penalty coming his way, I guarantee.
5 sec penalty, keeps position
With how hard the penalties were this race, Russell should’ve gotten a 10 second at least. The penalty decisions this race have been bonkers.

Not that he deserved a 10 second penalty, mind you. But if everyone gets stupidly hard penalties, so should Russell.
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Predictably Verstappen comes back strong after yesterday. Verstappen and Norris neck and neck on the mediums. Lando did speed under yellow, but 10 sec stop/go? Bit harsh.

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PierreW wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:19
10s is already hard, but stop and go? That's stupid.
Is it? The calls for harsher penalties for ignoring Safety seems quite constant and lively, even aggressive sometimes.

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bananapeel23 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:42
Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:41
matt_b wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:40


well given that the reason they didn't deploy the SC was because they didn't want to screw him, and gave him a free Pole for an out lap incident, I don't think there will be a position dropping penalty coming his way, I guarantee.
5 sec penalty, keeps position
With how hard the penalties were this race, Russell should’ve gotten a 10 second at least. The penalty decisions this race have been bonkers.
We don't even know what happened.

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The Lando penalty has me on mixed feelings.

I think it was too harsh and it feels like keeping the WCC battle open and maybe an outside 2nd place in the WDC.

But it also my concern in the slow call to remove the debris safety should be a priority it took way too long . But perhaps the on the grounds of safety a harsher penalty is probably called for too, A normal 10sec penalty I think should be sufficient though

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CjC wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:42
Well I hope you lot who were chatting about British bias feel stupid now because you look it
One race after a number of FIA changes doesn't change previous bias from different people.

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Watto wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:44
The Lando penalty has me on mixed feelings.

I think it was too harsh and it feels like keeping the WCC battle open and maybe an outside 2nd place in the WDC.

But it also my concern in the slow call to remove the debris safety should be a priority it took way too long . But perhaps the on the grounds of safety a harsher penalty is probably called for too, A normal 10sec penalty I think should be sufficient though
A penalty was justified, he went from near 2 seconds back to just over one second back, and set a PB in the first sector on the lap when they yellow was out. But I think a 10s or drive thru would have been more appropriate.

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Cs98 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:44
bananapeel23 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:42
Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:41


5 sec penalty, keeps position
With how hard the penalties were this race, Russell should’ve gotten a 10 second at least. The penalty decisions this race have been bonkers.
We don't even know what happened.
True, but speeding in the pitlane has always been a 5 second. Speeding under yellow is usually a 3 place in qualifying, so it shouldn’t be that hard in the race.

If an infraction worthy of a 5 second gets a drivethrough, any penalty should be hard.

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Waz wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:45
CjC wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:42
Well I hope you lot who were chatting about British bias feel stupid now because you look it
One race after a number of FIA changes doesn't change previous bias from different people.
I was reading comments about British bias after the Russell/ Verstappen today so it’s the current set of stewards we are talking about
Just a fan's point of view

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bananapeel23 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:46
Cs98 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:44
bananapeel23 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:42


With how hard the penalties were this race, Russell should’ve gotten a 10 second at least. The penalty decisions this race have been bonkers.
We don't even know what happened.
True, but speeding in the pitlane has always been a 5 second. Speeding under yellow is usually a 3 place in qualifying, so it shouldn’t be that hard in the race.

If an infraction worthy of a 5 second gets a drivethrough, any penalty should be hard.
Since we don't know what happened we don't know if it was "worthy of a 5 second penalty", maybe it wouldn't even have been penalised under normal circumstances.

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Re: 2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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bananapeel23 wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:42
Luscion wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:41
matt_b wrote:
01 Dec 2024, 19:40


well given that the reason they didn't deploy the SC was because they didn't want to screw him, and gave him a free Pole for an out lap incident, I don't think there will be a position dropping penalty coming his way, I guarantee.
5 sec penalty, keeps position
With how hard the penalties were this race, Russell should’ve gotten a 10 second at least. The penalty decisions this race have been bonkers.

Not that he deserved a 10 second penalty, mind you. But if everyone gets stupidly hard penalties, so should Russell.
I would say penalties always should be harsh as today for most incidents.