2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

[AR3-GP]

Question, and this is not in reference to Hamilton specifically, but what do you have to do to get more than 5 seconds for a jump start? I don't understand why people don't just go well before the lights go out if you will only get done with 5 seconds. For a backmarker team, the value of getting in front of the DRS trains is worth more than 5 seconds.

[Luscion]

What is the verdict on the punctures of Hamilton and Sainz? They were both front left punctures. This track abuses the front left tire. I don't buy that it was debris related. More drivers should have been affected. Pirelli will take this to their grave...

Ham thinks constant understeer in his car caused the tire to fail and not the mirror debris

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hami ... /10678501/

[Paa]

What is the verdict on the punctures of Hamilton and Sainz? They were both front left punctures. This track abuses the front left tire. I don't buy that it was debris related. More drivers should have been affected. Pirelli will take this to their grave...

Ham thinks constant understeer in his car caused the tire to fail and not the mirror debris

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hami ... /10678501/

It could be both I think. I mean together.
The mirror exploded violently so I think the whole area was covered with tiny glass an carbon fiber pieces. I'm pretty sure that almost all drivers got some of that with most of their tyres. It makes sense that the most worn tyre is the most vulnerable.
Maybe a brand new tyre with thick thread would just absorb the debris, like it does with gravel etc. But thread was too thin for that on the front lefts so they gave up.

So high wear and debris could have been both a contributing factor.

[Luscion]

What is the verdict on the punctures of Hamilton and Sainz? They were both front left punctures. This track abuses the front left tire. I don't buy that it was debris related. More drivers should have been affected. Pirelli will take this to their grave...

Ham thinks constant understeer in his car caused the tire to fail and not the mirror debris

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hami ... /10678501/

It could be both I think. I mean together.
The mirror exploded violently so I think the whole area was covered with tiny glass an carbon fiber pieces. I'm pretty sure that almost all drivers got some of that with most of their tyres. It makes sense that the most worn tyre is the most vulnerable.
Maybe a brand new tyre with thick thread would just absorb the debris, like it does with gravel etc. But thread was too thin for that on the front lefts so they gave up.

So high wear and debris could have been both a contributing factor.

Yea, i could see that being a possibility

[CHT]

RBR must have done or discovered something between Sprint and qualifying to put RBR at the top of the podium again.
I could have thought that Max is not going to win again this season unless there is an abnormal race like in Brazil.
This will be a good motivation going into 2025.

I reckon 2025 will be a race between drivers' ability instead of machine supremacy.

[CHT]

Ham thinks constant understeer in his car caused the tire to fail and not the mirror debris

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hami ... /10678501/

It could be both I think. I mean together.
The mirror exploded violently so I think the whole area was covered with tiny glass an carbon fiber pieces. I'm pretty sure that almost all drivers got some of that with most of their tyres. It makes sense that the most worn tyre is the most vulnerable.
Maybe a brand new tyre with thick thread would just absorb the debris, like it does with gravel etc. But thread was too thin for that on the front lefts so they gave up.

So high wear and debris could have been both a contributing factor.

Yea, i could see that being a possibility

F1 mirrors are made from Perspex, a type of Synthethic polymer, not glass.

[AR3-GP]

I don't think Sainz puncture had anything to do with debris. He reported front left problem and front left understeer near the end of lap 33. Bottas didn't hit the mirror until lap 34.

[AR3-GP]

Question, why don't drivers get penalty points for egregious pitlane speeding? (I am not targeting Hamilton, it is just a general question).

They said Hamilton got done for 12.5km/h over the speed limit. How can you not get penalty points for this?

[Paa]

Question, why don't drivers get penalty points for egregious pitlane speeding? (I am not targeting Hamilton, it is just a general question).

They said Hamilton got done for 12.5km/h over the speed limit. How can you not get penalty points for this?

I don't think we should look for any logic in stewarding after what has been done in recent weeks (months, years).
Probably they just felt like it.
And I'm not even kidding/trolling. I genuinely think this is the most accurate description of how most decision are made.

[Luscion]

Question, why don't drivers get penalty points for egregious pitlane speeding? (I am not targeting Hamilton, it is just a general question).

They said Hamilton got done for 12.5km/h over the speed limit. How can you not get penalty points for this?

The rules states the stewards can apply additional penalties if they suspect the driver was doing it to gain an advantage. Doesnt seem to be any mention about going too fast being a safety issue, which is surprising, or giving penalty points


List of additional penalties they can apply


so yea, nothing about penalty points, which maybe should be a thing

Earlier this year in Miami Lewis also got a drive-through penalty for speeding in the pitlane by over 10.7kmh

[Watto]

Question, why don't drivers get penalty points for egregious pitlane speeding? (I am not targeting Hamilton, it is just a general question).

They said Hamilton got done for 12.5km/h over the speed limit. How can you not get penalty points for this?

I don't think we should look for any logic in stewarding after what has been done in recent weeks (months, years).
Probably they just felt like it.
And I'm not even kidding/trolling. I genuinely think this is the most accurate description of how most decision are made.

Agree - and why I don't like Stellas idea of them trying to make too many different rules for different situatioins to where they can make almost any penalty they want and justify it.

I understand where he was coming from with Lando I think it was a very harsh penalty but its inline with simular double waved yellow incidents in previous years and going by Sky it was almost the only penalty they could give. While harsh and I have my concerns over how long it took RC to call the safety car out here. I think we've seen enough this year in recent times they can apply almost any penalty within reason and its 'fair' or within guidelines.

[purestpurist]

Second weekend in three race control made totally boneheaded safety decisions. Somewhere Masi has a $#17eating grin

[TeamKoolGreen]

Good job race control for completely ruining a race. Pathetic. All thanks to the FIA president. Yes he's a madman..But people actually voted him in.

[SirBastianVettel]

Confirming he would not seek to appeal the penalty, which he said was "correct" despite its draconian nature, Norris said: "Disappointed of course.

"I've let the team down, the team gave me a great car today, easily the quickest out there, and I f***ed it up.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/norri ... /10678425/


Just another day, Norris not winning in the fastest car, and Max winning without it...

Honestly he's lucky that people seem to have been distracted by everything else going on, but this was another race that Norris should have won imo. He had two (or three?) good opportunities to take the lead of the race and if he would have taken the lead I'm sure he would have comfortably won it.

[basti313]

Pretty interesting! But Max is right…Russell plays it polite in front of the cameras and then will try to screw you over at the first chance! This is pretty much what he has been doing with Lewis inside Mercedes these past 3 years too…

Even while he was bumping wheels with Hamilton(and more recently Lando) Max never took things this personal.

Right or wrong, he 100% believes what Russell did was a cheap manipulative trick.

Yes. But what is also interesting on this: He definitely got under the skin of Russel. See the post race interview, Russel was more preparing on bumping wheels in the first corner than his start.
Seems like Ham is the only one capable of starting next to Verstappen.