2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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So they took the easy route. :D

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Paa wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 23:10
This was pretty much observed/confirmed since the beginning of the season.

What I would like to understand is why Red Bull expected the RB20 to be better with kerbs than RB19?

This is what they expected/promised and they were surprised it was not the case, but I don't get why? This is expected with the design they chose.
Isn't it explained by the Marko quote? They made design decisions that when applied in the simulator gave good behaviour. Then they put that design on track and it behaves another way. Simulator correlation issues
“Our basic problem is not track-specific. The correlation between the simulator and the track does not work,”

“On the simulator, we drive over the curbs without any problems, and here, the car jumps like a kangaroo. That is where we have to start.
Much of the discussion early in 2024 about rb20 performance wasn't about any aero weakness, but about the vehicle dynamics being much worse than expected and was highlighted a lot in the miami/Monaco/Imola/Canada period. I think we had concrete statements that the simulator was the issue as early as Monaco

Think we only started talking about aero issues from Silverstone onwards

At Canada Marko claimed the team had identified the issue with the car which I interpret to mean the mechanical issues with the car and on the same weekend tracking stickers appear on the pullrod - perhaps their simulation wasn't modelling the dynamics of the pullrod flexing during kerbstrikes which resulted in the correlation issues
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To me it seems plausible that they got to the bottom of the simulator-real world kerbstriking difference towards the early part of the season (of course can't actually solve the front suspension problem mid season) and possibly only then realized it wasn't the big performance limitation they thought it was.. having to then go down the aero rabbit hole after the summer break culminating in the cota upgrades

I really don't expect the same kerbing issues next time around (fingers crossed!)

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Paa wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 23:58
So they took the easy route. :D
Not expecting Lawson to fair much better than Perez.
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If the board decide who will drive for redbull then yuki have a chance .they decided during summer to end relation with ric and return vcarb to a junior team.yuki has survived the pressure and intimidation of redbull junior program ,he goes into a season with only one contract and is expected to sink or swim boom or bust .he survived all the time.If you ask Horner he will tell you yuki is a very quick driver ,you can read between the lines what that really means in the grand scheme of things

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Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 17:43
If the board decide who will drive for redbull then yuki have a chance .they decided during summer to end relation with ric and return vcarb to a junior team.yuki has survived the pressure and intimidation of redbull junior program ,he goes into a season with only one contract and is expected to sink or swim boom or bust .he survived all the time.If you ask Horner he will tell you yuki is a very quick driver ,you can read between the lines what that really means in the grand scheme of things
I think Yuki probably deserves it.

His pace I think if good enough to warrant ti but the pressure of being Max's team mate I would be concerned about.I think even now it has been the one little issue with Yuki at VCarb let alone what it would be like at RBR against the team pressure and Max. But admit he probably deserves a chance sink or swim.

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If Yuki does get the call up that will be great. If he doesn't, I just hope RB can be less sh*t next year. There's a chance they could be 10th if they don't improve their car and strategy calls.

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Watto wrote:
05 Dec 2024, 01:10
Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 17:43
If the board decide who will drive for redbull then yuki have a chance .they decided during summer to end relation with ric and return vcarb to a junior team.yuki has survived the pressure and intimidation of redbull junior program ,he goes into a season with only one contract and is expected to sink or swim boom or bust .he survived all the time.If you ask Horner he will tell you yuki is a very quick driver ,you can read between the lines what that really means in the grand scheme of things
I think Yuki probably deserves it.

His pace I think if good enough to warrant ti but the pressure of being Max's team mate I would be concerned about.I think even now it has been the one little issue with Yuki at VCarb let alone what it would be like at RBR against the team pressure and Max. But admit he probably deserves a chance sink or swim.
I hope RB and Honda will offer Yuki a 1 year contract at RB. I am sure Honda will be happen to put him there.

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VCARB’s CEO Peter Bayer believes both Liam Lawson and Yuki Tsunoda are “up to the challenge”
of facing off against Max Verstappen at Red Bull.


One of the current VCARB drivers is set to step into the senior team at Red Bull Racing for F1 2025, with Sergio Perez making way for either Liam Lawson or Yuki Tsunoda.

PlanetF1.com understands Lawson, despite his inexperience relative to Tsunoda, is currently the favourite for Perez’s seat, but VCARB CEO Peter Bayer believes Tsunoda is also ready to deliver should he be given the nod.
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“He’s made a huge step compared to last year, physically, and mentally, you can tell that he’s sort of converging toward the pinnacle of what he’s capable of,” Bayer told PlanetF1.com at the Qatar Grand Prix.

“Clearly, his performances this year have been critically important for the team as he’s scoring most of the points this year, and I think he is an important part of this team.”

Tsunoda has scored 30 of VCARB’s 46 point tally, keeping the Faenza-based squad in the hunt for sixth place in the Constructors’ Championship heading into the final race.
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Asked if the Japanese driver, who is as known for his fiery radio outbursts as he is for his strong points finishes, is ready to drive for a front-running team like Red Bull, Bayer said: “Yes, I think he is ready to make a step up to race for Red Bull Racing.

“Ultimately, our job is to be an incubator for talent. Yuki has gone through an excellent education with Franz [Tost, former team boss at VCARB/AlphaTauri] and now with Laurent [Mekies, current VCARB team boss] and the team.

“I certainly think he’s ready. Sometimes, perhaps, it’s difficult for him still to control his emotions. It is something that he’s working on, but I think that’s his last tiny fault, really, and, everything else, I’d say he’s one of the top drivers on the grid.”
The whole interview.
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Antonio Perez comes out with clear statement towards 'lying' journalists

According to papa Perez Perez is staying:
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Antonio Perez angry at 'lying' media

The Mexican has made another number of high-profile posts on Threads. The Red Bull Racing driver's father can be seen holding a large stash of Red Bull cans. The caption is "Red Bull for 2025" with a Mexican flag, a race car and a finish flag emoticons.

Perez sr. also posted another picture with the same setting from a different angle. The caption to it is "Thank you very much. We are all set for 2025. The best drink in the world. Worldwide."

Rumours have again circulated in the media in recent weeks that Perez is working on his last race weekend. It seems Antonio Perez has made a clear statement in response. "The lying journalists are already looking for me. Promise me to publicly apologise whoever the liars are. They or yours truly.
On Monday, I will publish the list of lying journalists and lying media," his message read.
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The receipt for those cases of Red Bull is probably in his pocket

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CHT wrote:
05 Dec 2024, 07:48
Watto wrote:
05 Dec 2024, 01:10
Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 17:43
If the board decide who will drive for redbull then yuki have a chance .they decided during summer to end relation with ric and return vcarb to a junior team.yuki has survived the pressure and intimidation of redbull junior program ,he goes into a season with only one contract and is expected to sink or swim boom or bust .he survived all the time.If you ask Horner he will tell you yuki is a very quick driver ,you can read between the lines what that really means in the grand scheme of things
I think Yuki probably deserves it.

His pace I think if good enough to warrant ti but the pressure of being Max's team mate I would be concerned about.I think even now it has been the one little issue with Yuki at VCarb let alone what it would be like at RBR against the team pressure and Max. But admit he probably deserves a chance sink or swim.
I hope RB and Honda will offer Yuki a 1 year contract at RB. I am sure Honda will be happen to put him there.
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yuki expected to play supporting role and be no2 ,so the real pressure is on Max the leader to produce results .if you look at second half of season the pressure got to Max and he started making mistakes tangling with lewis and loosing it on the radio in hungary for example.yuki put that vcardbox 0.2 of Max and splitting the Mclarens so in terms of q3 entries he has done a better jop than checo on a fast car , so i think if he start far ahead on the grid he will do a better jop because first phase of racing is about tire and fuel saving.redbull are afraid yuki may harbor ambition.it took Max 2 season to be ahead of daniel so gasly and albon were never given enough time to develop .yuki strength is his aggressiveness he is not tentative he has proven he can drive difficult cars ,so i think he can manhandle that redbull.

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Wouter wrote:
05 Dec 2024, 11:04
Antonio Perez comes out with clear statement towards 'lying' journalists

According to papa Perez Perez is staying:
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Antonio Perez angry at 'lying' media

The Mexican has made another number of high-profile posts on Threads. The Red Bull Racing driver's father can be seen holding a large stash of Red Bull cans. The caption is "Red Bull for 2025" with a Mexican flag, a race car and a finish flag emoticons.

Perez sr. also posted another picture with the same setting from a different angle. The caption to it is "Thank you very much. We are all set for 2025. The best drink in the world. Worldwide."

Rumours have again circulated in the media in recent weeks that Perez is working on his last race weekend. It seems Antonio Perez has made a clear statement in response. "The lying journalists are already looking for me. Promise me to publicly apologise whoever the liars are. They or yours truly.
On Monday, I will publish the list of lying journalists and lying media," his message read.
https://i.imgur.com/Iuf5jgK.png

https://i.imgur.com/0UiVHlP.png
Perez' dad has the sex tapes.

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ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates - 17 minutes ago.

Max Verstappen threatened to ‘put me in the wall’ after stewards’ meeting, George Russell claims

— Mercedes F1 driver George Russell claims Red Bull’s Max Verstappen threatened to crash into him and “put you on your f***ing head in the wall” after their stewards hearing ahead of the Qatar Grand Prix and that “people have been bullied by Max for years now.”

While Verstappen won the race, he said afterwards that he had “lost all respect” for Russell and he had “never seen someone trying to screw someone over that hard” in a meeting with the stewards.
But speaking to select media on Thursday, including The Athletic, ahead of the season finale in Abu Dhabi, Russell responded publicly for the first time to Verstappen’s comments.

“I find it all quite ironic, seeing as Saturday night he said he was going to purposefully go out of his way to crash into me and ‘put me on my f***ing head in the wall,’” Russell said. “So to question somebody’s integrity as a person while saying comments like that the day before, I find, is very ironic, and I’m not going to sit here and accept it.
“People have been bullied by Max for years now, and you can’t question his driving abilities. But he cannot deal with adversity. Whenever anything has gone against him — Jeddah ’21, Brazil ’21 — he lashes out. Budapest this year, the very first race the car wasn’t dominant, crashing into Lewis, slamming his team … As I said, for me, those comments on Saturday night and Sunday were totally disrespectful and unnecessary.”

Russell said that Verstappen had “taken it too far” with his latest comments but that he had no interest in speaking to the Dutchman as it was “his problem to deal with.” He characterized what Verstappen said as a “personal attack” that prompted him to want to set the record straight.
Asked by The Athletic to clarify when Verstappen made the comments to him, Russell claimed they were made privately following the stewards’ hearing.
“(It was) to me privately, yeah, straight out of the stewards,” Russell said. “He said, ‘I don’t know why you would want to screw me like this, I’m so disappointed in you. I was going to not even race you tomorrow, I was going to let you by, but now if I have to, I will purposely go out of my way to put you on your f***ing head in the wall.’
“So, I mean… as I said, I don’t understand why he was so unnecessarily aggressive and violent in that regard.”

Before Russell’s quotes were published publicly, Verstappen was asked generally in his pre-race press availability about his interaction with Russell following the hearing to which he said he had “no regrets at all” because “I meant everything I said.”
“And it’s still the same,” Verstappen said. “If I had to do it again, maybe I would’ve said even more, knowing the outcome of the race results. I still can’t believe that someone can be like that in the stewards’ room.
“For me, that was so unacceptable because, I mean, we’re all racing drivers, we all have a lot of respect for each other, we even play sports together, you know, you travel together, and of course, you have moments where you get together, you crash, you’re not happy.
“In my whole career, I’ve never experienced what I have experienced in the stewards’ room in Qatar. And for me, that was really unacceptable.”
Here you can read the whole article which is behind a paywall
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“We’ve got a guy who’s on the top of this sport who feels he’s above the law, and I don’t think that’s right,” Russell said. :lol: :lol: :lol:

“I admire his on-track battles, and when he’s hard and aggressive. But what we saw in the end of the season in ’21 or
what we saw in Mexico with Lando, they weren’t hard, aggressive manoeuvres.
They were ‘do or die. I’m willing to take this guy out,’ which I don’t think is the way we should go racing.”
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Wouter wrote:
05 Dec 2024, 15:07
ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates - 17 minutes ago.

Max Verstappen threatened to ‘put me in the wall’ after stewards’ meeting, George Russell claims

— Mercedes F1 driver George Russell claims Red Bull’s Max Verstappen threatened to crash into him and “put you on your f***ing head in the wall” after their stewards hearing ahead of the Qatar Grand Prix and that “people have been bullied by Max for years now.”

While Verstappen won the race, he said afterwards that he had “lost all respect” for Russell and he had “never seen someone trying to screw someone over that hard” in a meeting with the stewards.
But speaking to select media on Thursday, including The Athletic, ahead of the season finale in Abu Dhabi, Russell responded publicly for the first time to Verstappen’s comments.

“I find it all quite ironic, seeing as Saturday night he said he was going to purposefully go out of his way to crash into me and ‘put me on my f***ing head in the wall,’” Russell said. “So to question somebody’s integrity as a person while saying comments like that the day before, I find, is very ironic, and I’m not going to sit here and accept it.
“People have been bullied by Max for years now, and you can’t question his driving abilities. But he cannot deal with adversity. Whenever anything has gone against him — Jeddah ’21, Brazil ’21 — he lashes out. Budapest this year, the very first race the car wasn’t dominant, crashing into Lewis, slamming his team … As I said, for me, those comments on Saturday night and Sunday were totally disrespectful and unnecessary.”

Russell said that Verstappen had “taken it too far” with his latest comments but that he had no interest in speaking to the Dutchman as it was “his problem to deal with.” He characterized what Verstappen said as a “personal attack” that prompted him to want to set the record straight.
Asked by The Athletic to clarify when Verstappen made the comments to him, Russell claimed they were made privately following the stewards’ hearing.
“(It was) to me privately, yeah, straight out of the stewards,” Russell said. “He said, ‘I don’t know why you would want to screw me like this, I’m so disappointed in you. I was going to not even race you tomorrow, I was going to let you by, but now if I have to, I will purposely go out of my way to put you on your f***ing head in the wall.’
“So, I mean… as I said, I don’t understand why he was so unnecessarily aggressive and violent in that regard.”

Before Russell’s quotes were published publicly, Verstappen was asked generally in his pre-race press availability about his interaction with Russell following the hearing to which he said he had “no regrets at all” because “I meant everything I said.”
“And it’s still the same,” Verstappen said. “If I had to do it again, maybe I would’ve said even more, knowing the outcome of the race results. I still can’t believe that someone can be like that in the stewards’ room.
“For me, that was so unacceptable because, I mean, we’re all racing drivers, we all have a lot of respect for each other, we even play sports together, you know, you travel together, and of course, you have moments where you get together, you crash, you’re not happy.
“In my whole career, I’ve never experienced what I have experienced in the stewards’ room in Qatar. And for me, that was really unacceptable.”
Here you can read the whole article which is behind a paywall
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PS.
“We’ve got a guy who’s on the top of this sport who feels he’s above the law, and I don’t think that’s right,” Russell said. :lol: :lol: :lol:

“I admire his on-track battles, and when he’s hard and aggressive. But what we saw in the end of the season in ’21 or
what we saw in Mexico with Lando, they weren’t hard, aggressive manoeuvres.
They were ‘do or die. I’m willing to take this guy out,’ which I don’t think is the way we should go racing.”
Soap opera is so back :D :D
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Russell "he just fully turned into me" crybaby has a loooong way to go before he'll reach verstappen on any level that actually matters.