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there definitely drop in performance in race pace is it due to that TD which was introduced in las Vagas ??

I don't think it is the TD. They just cannot get the fronts working, same story every time. This introduces graining in long run as well...

Hülkenberg's long run on softs was the fastest of all, half a second quicker than the McLaren on mediums. If Ferrari is able to get those tires to last instead, they may still have a shot.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Having a full season without at least two Leclerc mechanical issues was too good to be true...

And to make things even worse for Leclerc, apparently he had food poisoning... he's getting all his bad luck from post-Montreal in this one weekend

Disappointing, but at this point there's nothing to lose - WCC is lost anyway - so I hope the team closes out the season on a positive note.

[Sphere3758]

there definitely drop in performance in race pace is it due to that TD which was introduced in las Vagas ??

I don't think it is the TD. They just cannot get the fronts working, same story every time. This introduces graining in long run as well...

Hülkenberg's long run on softs was the fastest of all, half a second quicker than the McLaren on mediums. If Ferrari is able to get those tires to last instead, they may still have a shot.

Leclerc should try to keep a fresh set of softs for the race. Unless they think he can get pole, 15 or 20 makes no difference. Give him an engine change, some fresh softs, turn it to max and go for it. Nothing to lose.

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[f1316]

Pretty much everything we didn’t want to happen happened - not only the penalty but not great pace in FP2.

I have a feeling the pace will turn around at least a bit and then we just honestly need some luck (or bad luck for McLaren). Bit disappointed for Charles as I think he deserves his bonus for 2nd in the WDC!

As has been said though: anything can happen in formula one, and it usually does!

[bananapeel23]

Leclerc should try to keep a fresh set of softs for the race. Unless they think he can get pole, 15 or 20 makes no difference. Give him an engine change, some fresh softs, turn it to max and go for it. Nothing to lose.

Leclerc HAS to slice through the field and HAS to beat both McLarens, there is no room for a safe, calm recovery race that is sure to net good points. P20 or P4 doesn't matter because neither is enough. He needs P1 or P2 and a McLaren can't win, period.

Starting 11th, 15th or 20 makes a massive difference. If you start 11th it's very possible to slice through all of the midfielders and get to the back of the frontrunners on lap 1, that allows you potentially make up places against frontrunners during stint 1, pit into the podium positions, then make overtakes and win. After lap 1 you're limited to perhaps 1 overtake per lap while lapping over a second slower than the leaders and potentially getting stuck in DRS trains. If that happens a win is VERY unlikely without a chaotic safety car or red flag.

Leclerc needs to get as close to P1 as humanly possible in qualifying. If he can save a set of softs in Q1 or Q2 then sure, but getting the best possible result in quali is way more important.

If I were Ferrari I'd break into the HAAS garage and open a sealed engine component just in case they make Q3, so they are forced to take penalties and end up starting behind Leclerc post-penalty.

[Fakepivot]

would ferrari with p2 bonus and heritage or something bonus they get would that equal total amount of money mclaren gets for p1?

[bananapeel23]

would ferrari with p2 bonus and heritage or something bonus they get would that equal total amount of money mclaren gets for p1?

These numbers are all rumours or estimates... I think (?).

Ferrari gets an additional 5% of the prize pool is what I've read. The WCC winners get 14% of it, 10th place gets 6%. I'm assuming 2nd place gets about 12%, so Ferrari will get the most money even if they finish P2.

[FittingMechanics]

Top teams are at the budget limit. Any extra "winnings" is just padding the profits of the team. For Ferrari (and McLaren with the amount of the sponsors they have) this is completely unimportant from a racing standpoint.

[bananapeel23]

Top teams are at the budget limit. Any extra "winnings" is just padding the profits of the team. For Ferrari (and McLaren with the amount of the sponsors they have) this is completely unimportant from a racing standpoint.

I'm pretty sure that every single team is hitting the budget cap these days. Even HAAS and Williams are up there, but their lack of ability to spend hundreds of millions per year outside the budget cap on things like facilities means they can't spend their money as efficiently.

That's why Aston Martin and McLaren are spending ungodly amounts of money on their facilities. If they can get the leanest, most efficient facilities possible, they can spend more on the car, and the money they do spend on the car also goes further.

Back in the day Ferrari would spend ungodly amounts of money on just developing and making new parts, then have a car testing new specs at Fiorano constantly, metaphorically throwing s*** at the wall and seeing what sticks. They had terrible wind tunnels and simulators, because they could just test new parts on the real car anyway. This doesn't work when you can't spend as much money as you want.

[Sphere3758]

Leclerc should try to keep a fresh set of softs for the race. Unless they think he can get pole, 15 or 20 makes no difference. Give him an engine change, some fresh softs, turn it to max and go for it. Nothing to lose.

Leclerc HAS to slice through the field and HAS to beat both McLarens, there is no room for a safe, calm recovery race that is sure to net good points. P20 or P4 doesn't matter because neither is enough. He needs P1 or P2 and a McLaren can't win, period.

Starting 11th, 15th or 20 makes a massive difference. If you start 11th it's very possible to slice through all of the midfielders and get to the back of the frontrunners on lap 1, that allows you potentially make up places against frontrunners during stint 1, pit into the podium positions, then make overtakes and win. After lap 1 you're limited to perhaps 1 overtake per lap while lapping over a second slower than the leaders and potentially getting stuck in DRS trains. If that happens a win is VERY unlikely without a chaotic safety car or red flag.

Leclerc needs to get as close to P1 as humanly possible in qualifying. If he can save a set of softs in Q1 or Q2 then sure, but getting the best possible result in quali is way more important.

If I were Ferrari I'd break into the HAAS garage and open a sealed engine component just in case they make Q3, so they are forced to take penalties and end up starting behind Leclerc post-penalty.

I did say 15 or 20. I don't think that would make a big difference and you are underestimating the value of a brand new engine which can be used up in 1 race.

Also, there is almost zero chance that he can win/finish 2nd without a safety car at the perfect time, like Max had in Brazil. Having a significant tyre or engine advantage is the only hope (along with some serious luck)

[SoulPancake13]

Looking at telemetry, the team has a lot of work to do tonight on the sim. With a 10 place penalty, Charles has a lot of work ahead of him if this is the pace...

FP1 went well due to the warmer track, FP2 was much cooler and there was 0 heat in the tyre.

[Seanspeed]

If I were Ferrari I'd break into the HAAS garage and open a sealed engine component just in case they make Q3, so they are forced to take penalties and end up starting behind Leclerc post-penalty.

Too far. Ferrari is not the parent team of Haas, all for what would basically require a miracle either way. That'd be a super harsh request of a team that generally needs the better results more than Ferrari does.

We're not winning the WCC. We just need to accept that. Telling Haas to take penalties would also harm the merit of any such championship as well.

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Too bad about the food poisoning hopefully better by tomorrow.

[bananapeel23]

Leclerc should try to keep a fresh set of softs for the race. Unless they think he can get pole, 15 or 20 makes no difference. Give him an engine change, some fresh softs, turn it to max and go for it. Nothing to lose.

Leclerc HAS to slice through the field and HAS to beat both McLarens, there is no room for a safe, calm recovery race that is sure to net good points. P20 or P4 doesn't matter because neither is enough. He needs P1 or P2 and a McLaren can't win, period.

Starting 11th, 15th or 20 makes a massive difference. If you start 11th it's very possible to slice through all of the midfielders and get to the back of the frontrunners on lap 1, that allows you potentially make up places against frontrunners during stint 1, pit into the podium positions, then make overtakes and win. After lap 1 you're limited to perhaps 1 overtake per lap while lapping over a second slower than the leaders and potentially getting stuck in DRS trains. If that happens a win is VERY unlikely without a chaotic safety car or red flag.

Leclerc needs to get as close to P1 as humanly possible in qualifying. If he can save a set of softs in Q1 or Q2 then sure, but getting the best possible result in quali is way more important.

If I were Ferrari I'd break into the HAAS garage and open a sealed engine component just in case they make Q3, so they are forced to take penalties and end up starting behind Leclerc post-penalty.

I did say 15 or 20. I don't think that would make a big difference and you are underestimating the value of a brand new engine which can be used up in 1 race.

Also, there is almost zero chance that he can win/finish 2nd without a safety car at the perfect time, like Max had in Brazil. Having a significant tyre or engine advantage is the only hope (along with some serious luck)

I agree a new ICE would probably have been a wise choice, but if they decide not to take one, he can't start 15th.