2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Emag]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

[bananapeel23]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

There was definitely change since Miami. They brought several major packages that did drastically improve the car from "barely better than Red Bull" to "clearly better than Red Bull". It just wasn't obvious that they were improving because Ferrari came roaring back after Monza and developed their car even faster than McLaren.

[Emag]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

There was definitely change since Miami. They brought several major packages that did drastically improve the car from "barely better than Red Bull" to "clearly better than Red Bull". It just wasn't obvious that they were improving because Ferrari came roaring back after Monza and developed their car even faster than McLaren.

Please list these several major packages after Miami.

[DChemTech]

Don't write unnecessary comments. I believe I have the right to write something for once after all that war that the team endured by other teams and their fans.

Well, you managed on thing with all this negativity and anti-Dutch sentiment: you made someone that has been a McLaren/Hakkinen fan and decade-long disliker of Ferrari, both due to Schumacher's antics and the notion that any misconduct by Ferrari always seemed to be swept under the rug (and they would decide to pull out of F1 if that didn't happen), root for Ferrari over McLaren this year.

Anyway, congratulations to McLaren, let's hope for another down-to-the-last-race battle next year.

Dude I am not gonna bother responding to illusions or attempts to flamebait. Mcl-H has a voice to express himself and if one negative comment made him do what you said then he was never a fan of Mclaren to begin with. Don't bother me with that anymore please.

I was talking about my own past mclaren fanship, no idea about McL-H. And by no means looking to 'flamebait'. Just a gentle note that the negativity is not particularly making McL more sympathetic, and especially the 'anti dutch' generalizations - considering there is quite a lot of sympathy for the team in the Netherlands (the orange might help). No need to ruin that.
Just be happy, you won WCC in a year that started with "it would be great to win a race". That's a good feat, and the team is set for a great 2025.

[bananapeel23]

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

There was definitely change since Miami. They brought several major packages that did drastically improve the car from "barely better than Red Bull" to "clearly better than Red Bull". It just wasn't obvious that they were improving because Ferrari came roaring back after Monza and developed their car even faster than McLaren.

Please list these several major packages after Miami.

A new front wing and front suspension in Austria, not circuit specific. That's a pretty decent sized package.

Zandvoort was 6 upgrades. I'd consider that a major package.

Austin was 8 upgrades, with 4 circuit specific. I'd consider that a major package.

Then the new floor in Mexico, which was a very major revision and put them back in front of Ferrari.

They also brought a whole lot of "circuit specific" upgrades in Imola, Austin, Monza, meaning a boatload of different engine covers, rear wings and front wing upper elements.

I'd consider that a pretty high rate of development post-Miami. Not the flurry of development Ferrari brought, but they didn't have a bunch of downgrade packages, so they didn't need to develop their way out of holes they dug for themselves and could take it easy and make sure every upgrade would work.

[_cerber1]

Everyone must remember that it was not an easy walk.

[Mcl_G10]

The mclaren definitely got faster since miami upgrade. That car would comfortably be behind both ferraris at the very least.

But as others have touched on. Considering the seasons targets what the team has achieved is astonishing.

[Darth-Piekus]

I was talking about my own past mclaren fanship, no idea about McL-H. And by no means looking to 'flamebait'. Just a gentle note that the negativity is not particularly making McL more sympathetic, and especially the 'anti dutch' generalizations - considering there is quite a lot of sympathy for the team in the Netherlands (the orange might help). No need to ruin that.
Just be happy, you won WCC in a year that started with "it would be great to win a race". That's a good feat, and the team is set for a great 2025.

What I listed on the first message was a years worth of negativity and attacks (sometimes personal with insults) from fans of other teams coming to the forum. Attacks on the team's legality and attacks on Lando Norris. Attacks that also contained anti-English generalizations. I find it unfair to be criticized for finally criticizing back all that bad criticism not to mention being singled out. After all don't criticize if you don't want criticism. It ruins sympathy in both sides. In any case I am really not interested to analyze that anymore as it is a day of joy with Mclaren being back on the throne after 26 long years so I would kindly ask to end it here and I can't wait for a fantastic battle next year against Lewis Hamilton.

[f1rules]

congratulations to all, damm that feels good after so many years

[foxivan]

I became a McLaren fan since first watching the epic duels between Senna and Prost on TV, and began regularly watching the Races again since 2007. Been through some many roller caster years and I felt quite emotional today when Lando crossed the start/finished line and sealed the construction champion. HELL YEAH!

[bauc]

Wasn't there a rule that forbid research in the 2026 cars till a certain date?

Jan 1st 2025

[CjC]

Everyone must remember that it was not an easy walk.

Not to mention the laying off of staff during Covid.
Selling assets to stay afloat.

This is just amazing work by the whole team, guided by a fantastic leadership group.
Zak has well and truly cemented himself into McLarens history book as a legend for the team.

[Marc.W]

So proud of what the team achieved, could've been a good 1-2 today but Max Verbonken got involved as usual, looking forward to starting 2025 where we left off!

[bauc]

[mwillems]

So proud of what the team achieved, could've been a good 1-2 today but Max Verbonken got involved as usual, looking forward to starting 2025 where we left off!

All is well that ends well. It was a good event in the course of things, and good preparation for next year. A few times now he knows that he will lose out if he tries a move in which he expects someone to move simply because he wants to be there.

Also, despite what some have said, if Piastri moves out of the way of such attempts it only makes it more likely that Max will expect someone to move the next time. Not the best time to suffer the crash, and I think Piastri wasn't expecting him to be there, but Max will know that if he tries it again the space may very well not be there again with the same consequences from the stewards and possibly some damage. He only gets away with it because people let him.

In any case, it wasn't the worst turn 1 incident. The vitriol and highly offensive remarks in this forum are totally unwarranted and many cases plain offensive.