2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[kc_f1]

I really hope and pray that Perez stays at RB. He's a good driver and racer. Just needs to find his mojo

[SharkY]

I really hope and pray that Perez stays at RB. He's a good driver and racer. Just needs to find his mojo

As a Ferrari fan, I also have such hopes, as it'll be easier for them in WCC

Realistically, if you lose you mojo, and can't find it, you don't belong in the top team. It's harsh, but such are competitive sports - there's no room for pity.
A few years ago, Perez would be out mid season. RBR changed their driver philosophy, as it wasn't working (with Kvyat, Gasly, Albon) and went for giving Checo a benefit of a doubt and a stable position (and likely milking those Mexican $$$). But that's not working either.

And they might not care for the 2025 WCC, but if the field is as compressed, as it's now, Max needs a strong wingman to take away points from other WDC contenders.

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I really hope and pray that Perez stays at RB. He's a good driver and racer. Just needs to find his mojo

He's had his "mojo" for about 10 races in his entire red bull stint of 4 years, 80 races.

Even if he somehow finds it again, which quite clearly looks increasingly unlikely, he'll soon enough revert to crappy results after a bad weekend wrecks his confidence

[f1isgood]

I really hope and pray that Perez stays at RB. He's a good driver and racer. Just needs to find his mojo

Sure buddy. Every year blud drops one good race at Baku and blames eferything else.

[f1isgood]

Bit of an unnecessary move from Max, pathetic penalty afterwards, but again, who cares. Glad these absurd penalties didn't interfere with the championship.

Onto next year, which will be a different story I fear.

Disagree on the pathetic penalty. It's been shown countless times that a 5 second penalty for something like this isn't a hindrance many times and if it means keeping the position but getting the penalty it's usually worth it by race end. That effectively encourages drivers to play bumper cars. At least 10 seconds encourages drivers to be more clean under threat of a penalty that will actually affect their race.

Max will have to learn how to race in a pack of other cars without always hitting them. If he can't do that then maybe he isn't as good as everyone thinks he is

The only miscalculation in the race today was Oscar not giving Max more room. Oscar had far more to lose in that collision and brought a lot of jeopardy into the WCC fight. It was silly not to yield

Yeah, this is the right take. VER wasn't divebombing, he was well within his rights to attack an open corner. Piastri simply took the racing line ignoring a car on the inside. That said, Piastri did live exactly enough room that without understeer, VER might have made it. The understeer caused the collision and hence the penalty.

That said, it's a L1T1 racing incident. FIA are just being dumb about this. Obviously most people's hatred for Max doesn't allow them to argue in a middle-ground.

[f1isgood]

Who cares about today, Max brought the WDC home. We had equal pace than Mercedes in this race. Ferrari, Mclaren were just quicker. But I didnt expect two wins in the last races, quite an improvement. A year started well, and ended well. But we need to improve in many areas for 2025.

I think the wins gloss over the simple fact that we didnt have the best car after China in a single race.

That's unlike the Red Bull I know frankly. Maybe it's just this regulation set or whatever. Even in the engine gone bad era, the team won races on merit every year. On pure pace, especially after midseason.

This year hurt more than before. I am praying that the RB21 is not a dud but it might as well be if RB hit their ceiling with this concept.

Let's also not forget they did lot of cooling rework for some weird reason on this car -- and seems like RB can't even match McLaren in medium, medium-high corners, let alone slow speed.

[basti313]

I really hope and pray that Perez stays at RB. He's a good driver and racer. Just needs to find his mojo

He's had his "mojo" for about 10 races in his entire red bull stint of 4 years, 80 races.

Even if he somehow finds it again, which quite clearly looks increasingly unlikely, he'll soon enough revert to crappy results after a bad weekend wrecks his confidence

I would even question if he had his "mojo" in 10 races?
There were times, when the RedBull was the dominating car, so Perez did well especially in slippery conditions when others were struggling even more. Beginning 2023 as an example, which looked not bad, just to be schooled like no other teammate before in F1 history in Miami...
Looking back...more than the Spore win, I see not much where he really showed some excellence.

[DChemTech]

I really hope and pray that Perez stays at RB. He's a good driver and racer. Just needs to find his mojo

He's had his "mojo" for about 10 races in his entire red bull stint of 4 years, 80 races.

Even if he somehow finds it again, which quite clearly looks increasingly unlikely, he'll soon enough revert to crappy results after a bad weekend wrecks his confidence

I would even question if he had his "mojo" in 10 races?
There were times, when the RedBull was the dominating car, so Perez did well especially in slippery conditions when others were struggling even more. Beginning 2023 as an example, which looked not bad, just to be schooled like no other teammate before in F1 history in Miami...
Looking back...more than the Spore win, I see not much where he really showed some excellence.

Yes. Checo in his Force India days was certainly no bad driver, and his podiums and first win show that he was certainly capable of seizing opportunities when possible. But it seems he just has low adaptability, and at an RB team where they try to max-imize the car, that's gonna bite.

[CHT]

Checo has fallen off the cliff, the best you can get from him is a couple of decent races per season, but that is not good enough for top team. He should vacate his seat for other driver or move to RB next year to drive along side Lawson

[!Technical]

Checo has fallen off the cliff, the best you can get from him is a couple of decent races per season, but that is not good enough for top team. He should vacate his seat for other driver or move to RB next year to drive along side Lawson

This implies that TSU is getting the seat next to Max which I really hope will be the case. I don't see it happening though. Based off the comments from Marko in the last week, I doubt it will happen.

It will be VER LAW at the senior team and TSU HAD at the junior team.

[trinidefender]

Disagree on the pathetic penalty. It's been shown countless times that a 5 second penalty for something like this isn't a hindrance many times and if it means keeping the position but getting the penalty it's usually worth it by race end. That effectively encourages drivers to play bumper cars. At least 10 seconds encourages drivers to be more clean under threat of a penalty that will actually affect their race.

Max will have to learn how to race in a pack of other cars without always hitting them. If he can't do that then maybe he isn't as good as everyone thinks he is

The only miscalculation in the race today was Oscar not giving Max more room. Oscar had far more to lose in that collision and brought a lot of jeopardy into the WCC fight. It was silly not to yield

Yeah, this is the right take. VER wasn't divebombing, he was well within his rights to attack an open corner. Piastri simply took the racing line ignoring a car on the inside. That said, Piastri did live exactly enough room that without understeer, VER might have made it. The understeer caused the collision and hence the penalty.

That said, it's a L1T1 racing incident. FIA are just being dumb about this. Obviously most people's hatred for Max doesn't allow them to argue in a middle-ground.

The rules as they are currently written say the car ahead at the apex (whether inside or outside) has rights to the corner. Piastri was ahead at the corner apex.

The L1T1 incidents thing is being taken a bit far. Leniency there should only be shown when it is confusing what is actually going on. Here it was very clear cut and only involved two cars, this incident is no different from one that happened later in the race.

Do I like the way the rules are currently enforced? Not really but that’s the precedent that’s been set.

[f1isgood]

The only miscalculation in the race today was Oscar not giving Max more room. Oscar had far more to lose in that collision and brought a lot of jeopardy into the WCC fight. It was silly not to yield

Yeah, this is the right take. VER wasn't divebombing, he was well within his rights to attack an open corner. Piastri simply took the racing line ignoring a car on the inside. That said, Piastri did live exactly enough room that without understeer, VER might have made it. The understeer caused the collision and hence the penalty.

That said, it's a L1T1 racing incident. FIA are just being dumb about this. Obviously most people's hatred for Max doesn't allow them to argue in a middle-ground.

The rules as they are currently written say the car ahead at the apex (whether inside or outside) has rights to the corner. Piastri was ahead at the corner apex.

The L1T1 incidents thing is being taken a bit far. Leniency there should only be shown when it is confusing what is actually going on. Here it was very clear cut and only involved two cars, this incident is no different from one that happened later in the race.

Do I like the way the rules are currently enforced? Not really but that’s the precedent that’s been set.

Those two cars were racing alongside each other. You can be 1mm ahead at the apex or 10cm and for all practical purposes even 1m and that doesn't mean the car on the inside will simply disappear.

And where are these current racing rules written down?

It seems generally agreed that if the incident yesterday happening with Max sticking his nose in (which he wasn't as he was well alongside) or if Max was ahead of Oscar (which he wasn't), there'd be no penalty for him.

As I said, Piastri gave exactly enough room, Verstappen understeered, and the penalty is fine. Piastri shouldn't just expect the car on the inside to disappear by simply taking the racing line, which is what he did here.

In many ways, it reminds me of Baku 2023 collision of Russell with Verstappen, except Russell wasn't even anywhere near alongside there and got no penalty if I am not mistaken.

[basti313]

And where are these current racing rules written down?

That is the most slapstick part of this season. The document is called "Driving Standard Guidelines".

It is existing in F1 since 2022, it was changed for the 2024 season and surprise, surprise....no one knew it exists until October 2024.

Pure slapstick to me how professional F1 journalists just forgot about them when it all came to heat in Austin. The first articles and commentary was strongly on "feelings" until I think 2 or 3 days after the race some journos started to realize, that there are written rules they forgot about
I think even the Merc guys incl. Toto did not know these rules exist

By the way: In contrast the $tupid L1T1 stuff is not written down anywhere. No idea where one can take a fair reason from to judge T1 differently than other incidents.

As I said, Piastri gave exactly enough room, Verstappen understeered, and the penalty is fine. Piastri shouldn't just expect the car on the inside to disappear by simply taking the racing line, which is what he did here.

Piastri could not see Ver when it counted. Similar to Ver to Rus, this is a completely blind spot on the inside as long as the inside car is not fully alongside.

In many ways, it reminds me of Baku 2023 collision of Russell with Verstappen, except Russell wasn't even anywhere near alongside there and got no penalty if I am not mistaken.

Well...I would see two differences:
- Rus did not rotate Ver. This is a red flag to me and deserves a drive through. Similar to Stone 21, I see no reason for not giving a drive through if you turn an opponent by the rear wheel. Everything else (touchy) is up for discussion. Maybe driving bluntly into the side of an opponent should also be penalized harsh. Also a Hamilton special, so you will not find much friends with this idea. But generally as a steward, I would have my issues judging in one series correctly with a drive through and in F1 trying to find a reason for 5 or 10sec...
- Verstappen exposed himself by being an a$$hole. So let us be realistic...if you treat them, they will treat you back. If they see a chance to fire a pen, they will fire it. And he deserves it. In contrast Rus is keeping his head down, cries a bit in front of the stewards and they pet him. You sleep in the bed you make and Rus will sleep better I think.

[dialtone]

Disagree on the pathetic penalty. It's been shown countless times that a 5 second penalty for something like this isn't a hindrance many times and if it means keeping the position but getting the penalty it's usually worth it by race end. That effectively encourages drivers to play bumper cars. At least 10 seconds encourages drivers to be more clean under threat of a penalty that will actually affect their race.

Max will have to learn how to race in a pack of other cars without always hitting them. If he can't do that then maybe he isn't as good as everyone thinks he is

The only miscalculation in the race today was Oscar not giving Max more room. Oscar had far more to lose in that collision and brought a lot of jeopardy into the WCC fight. It was silly not to yield

Yeah, this is the right take. VER wasn't divebombing, he was well within his rights to attack an open corner. Piastri simply took the racing line ignoring a car on the inside. That said, Piastri did live exactly enough room that without understeer, VER might have made it. The understeer caused the collision and hence the penalty.

That said, it's a L1T1 racing incident. FIA are just being dumb about this. Obviously most people's hatred for Max doesn't allow them to argue in a middle-ground.

I don’t think you can take the racing line while leaving space. He left space, he has no obligation to help Max with his attempt at an overtake, all of Piastri’s obligations were fulfilled. Max is a 4x WDC and he knows he’s going to understeer there. 10s penalty is the right penalty, Vettel got a few of them during his T1 spin cycle.

[Sasha]

TSU will be driving the the car on Tuesday with a rookie.