2025 is not like year 2024 (early season) or 2023/2022, where RB had advantage on rest of the field. it will be very close between RB/MCL/Ferrari and MB, we can even look at mid field closing up the top 4.Waz wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 13:42Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz, who has a few races each season that are exceptional. Those races can take points or wins away from Max, and in a close battle could be vital.
Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.
Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.
To be fair, the races where Carlos does well also happen to fall into Max's strengths. If at all anything, I would expect Max to shine even more on precisely the conditions in which Carlos shone over Charles.Waz wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 13:42Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz, who has a few races each season that are exceptional. Those races can take points or wins away from Max, and in a close battle could be vital.
Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.
Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.
Most likely because Yuki's place at red bull would never be secure. Honda/amr could come in for Tsunoda at some point and he would want to leave. Potentially in as little as 1-2 years time
Disagree, and "Potentially in as little as 1-2 years time" is especially wrong in my opinion. Could you elaborate on that? I just can't see it happening.
Agree but I think it was an example of being against Max is more the. Just raw pace it’s a mental tollf1isgood wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 12:46Yeah, it is basically very similar if not worse with Verstappen since Verstappen is so much more determined than Hamilton to win every race if possible.Watto wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 07:05I am pretty sure Nico Rosberg said something along those lines racing again Lewis. So much natural talent when you find a little weakness/somewhere where you are better than him then he goes to work to fix that weakness in his driving. Something you worked so hard at doing at it seems like its so effortless for him to fix the weakness takes a big mental tole.f1isgood wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 06:41
There's only pressure if you want to beat Max. Easier said than done of course. All these guys want to win.
Perez's entire downward spiral started at least as far as I am concerned at Miami last year after that defeat. Sure it may happen to others but if the next driver thinks he'll just walk in and beat Max, it would not likely end well. Or maybe he will keep Max honest and that's still great for the team.
In the end, either you are cut out for a top seat or you are not. Maybe neither of them are. We will know next year.
In the end, all these drivers are probably within a few tenths at worst if just asked to drive laps in free air under no pressure. However, confidence and things like that amplify the true pace delta substantially.
I somehow have a good feeling about Lawson doing okay. Let's see what happens.
In my opinion there is a very small chance of that happening, and several things would have to happen for that to play out.
Honda is very upset, that this partnership didn't result in Yuki driving for the main team. Horner is the spiteful husband after the divorce. He will pay for this.
I don't think Max's contract allows the team to let anyone to seriously challenge him.Waz wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 13:42Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz, who has a few races each season that are exceptional. Those races can take points or wins away from Max, and in a close battle could be vital.
Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.
Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.
If Max does decide to leave for Mercedes (or goes off to do other motorsport), then RedBull need a driver ready to challenge for wins and titles. It remains to be seen if Liam can be that, but there is only one way to find out.
That's the ebb and flow of the battle between teammates. I'm sure it will be more acute for Charles if he faces a motivated Lewis in the other Ferrari. But for us fans? It should provide some real entertainment.Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.
They will want him on the podium or as close to the podium as possible. Settling for just being in the points isn't the way to win a constructor title. Especially if Max is facing stiff competition from Charles, Lewis, Lando and Oscar etc.Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.
