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peewon wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 14:04
Nikosar wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 10:41
We saw in Drive to Survive the scene with Rossi and Otmar caught by surprise after ALO move to Aston but Briatore recently revealed that “Fernando wanted to stay because the previous season wasn't so bad. We wanted to sign the contract in Canada.”

“Then [former CEO] Laurent Rossi suddenly disappeared. We couldn't contact him anymore. That's when I started talking to Lawrence Stroll, owner of Aston Martin.”

Alonso could have really fought for something significant but management turned out to be completely incompetent.
If you go back to that year and look up Fernando's interviews, he repeatedly talks about feeling great physically and wanting to continue and it was obvious that he was trying to send a message. When it was revealed they only offered a 1 year contract it became obvious why. Rossi was insistent of getting rid of everyone who was seen as a power center at Alpine. They didnt have a proven option so they tried to lug Fernando along for one season to see how Piastri goes in another team but they both have the same agent so probably figured it out.

Then when they got caught with their pants by their ankles by both drivers they leveraged their DtS participation into peddling their narrative which was an obvious lie as proven by the documentation of the Piastri contract situation.
The funny thing is that if Alpine would have found some way to sign Alonso, he probably would have saved their @sses from their own incompetence. Instead, a complete cleaning, is what was needed at Alpine.

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-wkst- wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:19
https://autoracer.it/it/aston-martin-ca ... osizionato

Wind tunnel will be operational in February and will be used for the 2026 model, according to Formu1a Uno.
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25

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Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:35
-wkst- wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:19
https://autoracer.it/it/aston-martin-ca ... osizionato

Wind tunnel will be operational in February and will be used for the 2026 model, according to Formu1a Uno.
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25
Can a team even use 2 different WT's?
Mercedes' WT: solely for the AMR25
Factory's WT: partly AMR25, mainly AMR26

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lio007 wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:52
Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:35
-wkst- wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:19
https://autoracer.it/it/aston-martin-ca ... osizionato

Wind tunnel will be operational in February and will be used for the 2026 model, according to Formu1a Uno.
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25
Can a team even use 2 different WT's?
Mercedes' WT: solely for the AMR25
Factory's WT: partly AMR25, mainly AMR26
The Mclaren's mid 2023 season upgrades was from their new WT yeah? and the started car that season was from the old WT. Im wrong?

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Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 17:02
lio007 wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:52
Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:35
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25
Can a team even use 2 different WT's?
Mercedes' WT: solely for the AMR25
Factory's WT: partly AMR25, mainly AMR26
The Mclaren's mid 2023 season upgrades was from their new WT yeah? and the started car that season was from the old WT. Im wrong?
Indeed, McLaren is a good example.
I think teams have to nominate a WT by regulations at the beginning of the year, but can't remember exactly.

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Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 17:02
The Mclaren's mid 2023 season upgrades was from their new WT yeah? and the started car that season was from the old WT. Im wrong?
From memory, while the new WT was operational mid 23 is wasn't till the Miami upgrade in 24 that they started using the new WT (they said at launch the 24 car was still designed in the old WT).

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Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 17:02
lio007 wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:52
Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:35
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25
Can a team even use 2 different WT's?
Mercedes' WT: solely for the AMR25
Factory's WT: partly AMR25, mainly AMR26
The Mclaren's mid 2023 season upgrades was from their new WT yeah? and the started car that season was from the old WT. Im wrong?
No, they said in 2023 that they will only put the new (2024) model in the updated Woking tunnel.

It’s the question how many updates and how much tunnel time the 25 model will get. Krack hinted that at last before the summer break all teams will fully switch, unless you are in the title fight.

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Anyone concerned about the Nissan/Honda merger and how much this may harm Honda? I hope this doesn't indirectly harm Honda's committment to the project.

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Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:35
-wkst- wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:19
https://autoracer.it/it/aston-martin-ca ... osizionato

Wind tunnel will be operational in February and will be used for the 2026 model, according to Formu1a Uno.
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25

You are exactly right, that article just states the expectations. We read that McLaren started out running both tunnels. The plan there was to run the 2 tunnels until they felt they didn't need the old tunnel any more. How long that will be is not known before. They'll also try to correlate what they're seeing in the 2 tunnels with what is happening on the track. Only way to do that before 2026 is the 2025 car.

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TyreSlip wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 19:32
Anyone concerned about the Nissan/Honda merger and how much this may harm Honda? I hope this doesn't indirectly harm Honda's commitment to the project.


I read that the new company will have mostly Honda directors, so you can uses your own imagination with regards to whether this is a merger or a takeover.

I'll add that there is still a Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi alliance.

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-wkst- wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 19:07


No, they said in 2023 that they will only put the new (2024) model in the updated Woking tunnel.

Correct that is what they said in 23 but as I said above, at the 24 launch they said the new car was still designed in the old WT.

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Interesting development, according to AutoRacer : Dan Fallows has been transferred to Aston automotive division, making his departure from F1 world.

Looks that it is his choice to stay at Aston.

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lio007 wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:52
Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:35
-wkst- wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 16:19
https://autoracer.it/it/aston-martin-ca ... osizionato

Wind tunnel will be operational in February and will be used for the 2026 model, according to Formu1a Uno.
They must use the new WT to build 1 package for AMR25 at least, i think, would to be strange if they not do this, because they can see in practice if they correlation is fine or not. I dont know, but, i think will be strange if they literally use 0% on AMR25
Can a team even use 2 different WT's?
Mercedes' WT: solely for the AMR25
Factory's WT: partly AMR25, mainly AMR26
They will probably use both. Especially to ‚tune in‘ the new WT and get the correlation correct as fast as possible.

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Nikosar wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 20:52
Interesting development, according to AutoRacer : Dan Fallows has been transferred to Aston automotive division, making his departure from F1 world.

Looks that it is his choice to stay at Aston.
He wants to keep his big paycheck until his contract expires.

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diffuser wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 19:41
TyreSlip wrote:
23 Dec 2024, 19:32
Anyone concerned about the Nissan/Honda merger and how much this may harm Honda? I hope this doesn't indirectly harm Honda's commitment to the project.


I read that the new company will have mostly Honda directors, so you can uses your own imagination with regards to whether this is a merger or a takeover.

I'll add that there is still a Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi alliance.
A merger would be crazy for Honda. I just worry how much this impacts the company financially.