2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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Team: Image Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team
Base: Image Silverstone, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom

Owner: Lawrence Stroll
Group CEO: Andy Cowell
Team Principal: Mike Krack

TBD
Adrian Newey (March)
Enrico Cardile (January)
Bob Bell (interim)

Chassis: AMR25
Engine: Mercedes V6 Turbo

Race drivers:
14 Image Fernando Alonso ALO
18 Image Lance Stroll STR

Reserve drivers:
Image Felipe Drugovich
Image Stoffel Vandoorne

This thread is to discuss the 2025 Aston Martin Aramco F1 TEAM

KimiRai
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Happy new year!

Some roles are "to be determined" until there is official confirmation from the team of the new technical structure.

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Happy new year!

Sim is online, Tunnel will go online now. Once both are 100% operational, which will need some time according to Krack, they have the best tools available.

Hopefully the technical structure will be clear soon, without power struggles and stuff like that, which complicates creativity and ultimately results.

But the increase in stuff is huge, over 200 people increase in 2023 (740 employees in 2023). Now they talk about nearly 900 staff members. That needs good management.

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The tools are in place, just waiting for the master to play with them.
Cardile starts before Newey right? I hope they find good chemistry right away.

This is the weird part of booting Fallows, even if he wasn't fantastic on his own we know he works well helping translate Newey's ideas into a car.
But maybe there's more beyond that, it wouldn't be easy to go back to the role he held at RBR after being tech chief... so let's see the new structure.

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I have a good feeling about 2025

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Sevach wrote:
01 Jan 2025, 12:24
This is the weird part of booting Fallows, even if he wasn't fantastic on his own we know he works well helping translate Newey's ideas into a car.
But maybe there's more beyond that, it wouldn't be easy to go back to the role he held at RBR after being tech chief... so let's see the new structure.
From what someone else said in the previous thread, Lawrence Stroll was furious with the Imola update, and Fallows alluded that he was checked out from the team since summer. His demotivation was only more the reason to let him go as he wasn't going to be dependable in a smaller role.

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-wkst- wrote:
01 Jan 2025, 11:39
Happy new year!

Sim is online, Tunnel will go online now. Once both are 100% operational, which will need some time according to Krack, they have the best tools available.

Hopefully the technical structure will be clear soon, without power struggles and stuff like that, which complicates creativity and ultimately results.

But the increase in stuff is huge, over 200 people increase in 2023 (740 employees in 2023). Now they talk about nearly 900 staff members. That needs good management.
With this massive new set up and infrastructure, the cash burn rate for the team will be very high and this will add tremendous pressure for the staffs to deliver result in 2025. Unlike Redbull, where the energy drink companies are making huge profit, AM as a car manufacturer is actually still in red, so its unsure how long Lawrence Stroll can bankroll this team or if he has plan to sell the team eventually. Perhaps to Saudis.

I am not expecting much from AM in 2025, perhaps the best bet will be 2026 with AN + Honda.

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Really hope there is less talk and more results from this team this year.

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!Technical wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 04:43
Really hope there is less talk and more results from this team this year.
Hopefully they have learned their lesson on unnecessary hype for the past 2 seasons. Expecting more matured and responsible statements from the team.

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collindsilva wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 07:30
!Technical wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 04:43
Really hope there is less talk and more results from this team this year.
Hopefully they have learned their lesson on unnecessary hype for the past 2 seasons. Expecting more matured and responsible statements from the team.
you can check once Again Mike Krack Imagination of Encouraging Number in wind Tunnel for AMR 25.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/encouragi ... e-revealed

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abhi1200 wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 08:45
collindsilva wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 07:30
!Technical wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 04:43
Really hope there is less talk and more results from this team this year.
Hopefully they have learned their lesson on unnecessary hype for the past 2 seasons. Expecting more matured and responsible statements from the team.
you can check once Again Mike Krack Imagination of Encouraging Number in wind Tunnel for AMR 25.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/encouragi ... e-revealed
I dont think thats too bad. He also mentions in the same conversation shutting down after summer for 2026 and the aspirational goal for 2025 to be joining the top 4 fight, so clearly he's not too excited. I dont know what he means when he says they were too eager to bring updates. Did they not test them properly? Sounds very vague and like they still dont now where they went wrong. Hopefully the newcomers arent as clueless.

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Sevach wrote:
01 Jan 2025, 12:24
The tools are in place, just waiting for the master to play with them.
Cardile starts before Newey right? I hope they find good chemistry right away.

This is the weird part of booting Fallows, even if he wasn't fantastic on his own we know he works well helping translate Newey's ideas into a car.
But maybe there's more beyond that, it wouldn't be easy to go back to the role he held at RBR after being tech chief... so let's see the new structure.

I read somewhere that Newey doesn't get along with Fallows... Not sure how accurate the info is...

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mclaren111 wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 12:59

I read somewhere that Newey doesn't get along with Fallows... Not sure how accurate the info is...
We will never know, i just think it's odd that they could've replicated a structure that Red Bull had for years but chose to pass on it.

From Fallows being an unwilling to go back to "underling who gets no credit" to "they weren't seeing eye to eye in RBR already"... anything is possible.

Well... Newey plus Cardile it is.

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I worry if Cardile is as rated as Aston Martin thinks he is. Ferrari's biggest jumps in car development happened after Cardile left the team.

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same story as Fallows from RB??? instead of firing the people, can they just identify where they are lacking in terms of delivering the car? we don't know what are the internal politics but keep on hiring the people will not help until you trust them.