2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Rikrikrik]

I agree, but Fallows at the time spoke from a purely technical perspective while Cowell does so from a global point of view, adding very interesting details about how he is doing it. Obviously we have to wait and see if all this management ends up being reflected on the track, but the difference at first glance between the proposals of Fallows and Cowell is substantial.

Cowel is a champion already, and Fallows, what Fallows did and won? I mean, Fallows never won like a "boss" or being a principal name of his area, just as "supporting", but, i can be wrong about this.

In 2014, he was promoted to Head of Aerodynamics and continued to shape the team’s progress through Formula One’s hybrid era.

He technically still was being paid by RBR in 2021 when Max won but he was on gardening leave as of July 2021. Up to you if you to credit that victory to him.

Ok, but, still not comparable to Cowel's curriculum. I have some hope about 2025 because Aston made important moves in their staff and they insist in tell they knows the AMR24 issues and what they need to do about the AMR25, so we need to wait for pre season tests.

[diffuser]

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... ToAmetViiw
You have to be calm and cautious in this complex sport, but I cannot hide my enormous excitement when reading every word from Andy Cowell about what is coming next at Aston Martin.

He speaks a good game, but only time will tell. I mistakenly was excited for Dan Fallows because he was also inspirational and well spoken.

Me too.

[Ferro]

Cowel is a champion already, and Fallows, what Fallows did and won? I mean, Fallows never won like a "boss" or being a principal name of his area, just as "supporting", but, i can be wrong about this.

In 2014, he was promoted to Head of Aerodynamics and continued to shape the team’s progress through Formula One’s hybrid era.

He technically still was being paid by RBR in 2021 when Max won but he was on gardening leave as of July 2021. Up to you if you to credit that victory to him.

Ok, but, still not comparable to Cowel's curriculum. I have some hope about 2025 because Aston made important moves in their staff and they insist in tell they knows the AMR24 issues and what they need to do about the AMR25, so we need to wait for pre season tests.

It struck me that the interviewer continually referred to 2026 as the starting point to reap the benefits of all the changes made. However, it was Cowell himself who referred on several occasions to the importance suggested by 2025 to see the positive trend that the team is heading towards. To take the pressure off himself, he could have followed the interviewer's lead and postponed his intentions so that they are fulfilled in the long term, but it seems that he did not come to waste a single second since his incorporation and in a certain way raises AM expectations for this season.

[peewon]

The tunnel should be operational by February, Cowell is setting up the structure right now.

Initially it was reported that the tunnel would be operational by year end 2024. Then I read it was undergoing commissioning in early November. That takes about a month is everything goes right. Lets say another month for correlation. Is it known if that happened successfully? Delay suggests something went wrong and if its a commissioning problem it could take a lot of time to fix.

[KimiRai]

That takes about a month is everything goes right. Lets say another month for correlation.

How do you know - is it usually a month?

At the very least you want it to be ready before Newey arrives, if not that's a big failure in my view. They have about a month and a half left.

[-wkst-]

I guess this is a bit more complex. McLaren used 2 tunnels parallel for months too until they were happy and confident with the results. Everyone talks about their updated tunnel and sim, but the "reborn" of this team was built in the old tunnel...

Yes, that is what I would expect too. But still...they had free time in the tunnel last year, that was a gift. Sounds like they could not use it or finish the correlation to a decent result with this time. If they need to do double runs this year, this is costly.

The time used on the NEW WT would NOT count towards WT time used for 2025. Only the lead tunnel time would.

Is that really the case? Could you provide a source for that.

[peewon]

That takes about a month is everything goes right. Lets say another month for correlation.

How do you know - is it usually a month?

At the very least you want it to be ready before Newey arrives, if not that's a big failure in my view. They have about a month and a half left.

"Step zero is commissioning," Migeot explains. "This is where you have to check what has been sold to you is effectively achieved. You know, the air distribution, the turbulence, the temperature control, which is hugely important.

"You have to run the tunnel in all conditions and first check your builder has done a good job, then run all the electronics for the control [units]. It's a huge work for a group of people and is taking at least one month. And then if that's okay - because if that's not okay, you are fixing something which is not hours, but days and weeks of changes - then you start to work with the model."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... /10671540/

[KimiRai]

According to DailyMail Aston Martin (Jefferson Slack in particular) told potential sponsors that Max Verstappen will join them. 1 billion pound bid

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formu ... Newey.html




Aston Martin has denied reports

[diffuser]

Yes, that is what I would expect too. But still...they had free time in the tunnel last year, that was a gift. Sounds like they could not use it or finish the correlation to a decent result with this time. If they need to do double runs this year, this is costly.

The time used on the NEW WT would NOT count towards WT time used for 2025. Only the lead tunnel time would.

Is that really the case? Could you provide a source for that.

Can't find it. I had read it on the McLaren forum when they were going through that. Typically you need to tell the FIA which tunnel you're using for the next 12 month. They suggested you have to show the FIA that
#1 You have a new WT.
#2 You're running the same test on 2 tunnels for correlation.

I couldn't find anything in the regs about it though.

[Sherrinford]

According to DailyMail Aston Martin (Jefferson Slack in particular) told potential sponsors that Max Verstappen will join them. 1 billion pound bid

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formu ... Newey.html




Aston Martin has denied reports

1 billion I don't believe it never, but when this kind of news is denied there is usually something true in my opinion

[Sherrinford]

Newey's impact won't be felt until 2027. Maybe late 2026. The team need to make fundamental design choices for the 26 car now. Waiting for Newey to arrive would put them far behind the 8 ball to the point that Newey's impact wouldn't matter. This creates a risk where they embark on the wrong design path for 26 and can't get out of it until 2027 where Newey can guide them. However, if things go right on the 26 car, Newey could lend his expertise for mid season upgrades. But 2027 is when I'll lean 'forward on the sofa' and start getting properly worried about AM as a Ferrari fan

It only takes two months (and not even ) for Newey to make a difference, don't worry

[FW17]

Are Aston going to be dusting off the old flexi wing from 2023?

Not very different to current Merc and McL

[-wkst-]

Everyone wants VER, so does AMR.

In my opinion the only way to get him is a good 2026. If they progress that they win races in 2026 and he sees that he can fight for titles, then I think they have a big change to sign him.

Because the other part (money) is for sure second to none at AMR. Don't get me wrong, also the other top teams (excluding McLaren) have unbelievable financial ressources, but AMR can make an immoral offer to him that others can't keep up for corporate governance reasons. But Stroll, his partners and the Saudis offer what they like. No coincidence that Newey works for them now and not in Maranello.

[KimiRai]

Gary Gannon, Haas race engineer -> Aston Martin

[RedNEO]

It’s great that Alonso is in the team that all the drivers want to be in. Means he is in the right place for future success and the narrative that he makes bad choices can be put to bed . The way Adrian talks about him it’s like hes doing this for Alonso and will step back not too long after Alonso is gone into a more hands off position. I’m happy for Alonso that Adrian would want to give him a parting gift before his retirement with a WDC since he admires him and the feeling is mutual. Whoever comes after will hopefully inherit a team thats World Champion.