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[Jurgen von Diaz]

There is no Verstappen replacement, anywhere. Those aren't produced on a conveyor belt. Lawson's job is to survive, something which has proven very difficult with Verstappen as your reference. Ricciardo, Gasly, Albon, and Perez all got ground down over time as they realised they weren't getting closer, rather the gap was getting bigger. If Lawson comes in thinking (even subconsciously) "I'm going to keep up with Max", he will get crushed as well. The expectations are clear, be better than Perez. If he can be that he can stay and hopefully build himself over time.

Ric got Max under control for two season,Max gets rookies for competition and not a true competitor who may get off the shine on that image.he got perez a guy known for tire saving.i dont believe redbull where serious when they said they wanted norries to be his teammate.he is the first to get updates so his teamates are always chasing a moving target.

Ric was in his prime and had just destroyed Vettel. Verstappen was starting his F1 career at a young age with little experience, so he was learning in F1.

[CMSMJ1]

Let's all step away from the tedious driver yin-yang and let's be less likely to jump down the throats of your fello forum friends..

Thanks, in advance.

The season is coming..we don't need to be beating the 2016 season to death do we?

[Cs98]

There is no Verstappen replacement, anywhere. Those aren't produced on a conveyor belt. Lawson's job is to survive, something which has proven very difficult with Verstappen as your reference. Ricciardo, Gasly, Albon, and Perez all got ground down over time as they realised they weren't getting closer, rather the gap was getting bigger. If Lawson comes in thinking (even subconsciously) "I'm going to keep up with Max", he will get crushed as well. The expectations are clear, be better than Perez. If he can be that he can stay and hopefully build himself over time.

Ric got Max under control for two season,Max gets rookies for competition and not a true competitor who may get off the shine on that image.he got perez a guy known for tire saving.i dont believe redbull where serious when they said they wanted norries to be his teammate.he is the first to get updates so his teamates are always chasing a moving target.

The trajectory was the exact same, just different starting points. Lawson needs to break that trend.

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[Bill]

There is no Verstappen replacement, anywhere. Those aren't produced on a conveyor belt. Lawson's job is to survive, something which has proven very difficult with Verstappen as your reference. Ricciardo, Gasly, Albon, and Perez all got ground down over time as they realised they weren't getting closer, rather the gap was getting bigger. If Lawson comes in thinking (even subconsciously) "I'm going to keep up with Max", he will get crushed as well. The expectations are clear, be better than Perez. If he can be that he can stay and hopefully build himself over time.

Ric got Max under control for two season,Max gets rookies for competition and not a true competitor who may get off the shine on that image.he got perez a guy known for tire saving.i dont believe redbull where serious when they said they wanted norries to be his teammate.he is the first to get updates so his teamates are always chasing a moving target.

Ric was in his prime and had just destroyed Vettel. Verstappen was starting his F1 career at a young age with little experience, so he was learning in F1.

so you agree with my point that Max since then get only drivers starting f1 career ,so are likely to lose against him not drivers in their "prime'

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Ric got Max under control for two season,Max gets rookies for competition and not a true competitor who may get off the shine on that image.he got perez a guy known for tire saving.i dont believe redbull where serious when they said they wanted norries to be his teammate.he is the first to get updates so his teamates are always chasing a moving target.

Ric was in his prime and had just destroyed Vettel. Verstappen was starting his F1 career at a young age with little experience, so he was learning in F1.

so you agree with my point that Max since then get only drivers starting f1 career ,so are likely to lose against him not drivers in their "prime'

Pérez was in his prime when he joined Red Bull. Like others, he faltered when he could not match Verstappen's pace. When the 17-year-old Verstappen made his F1 debut, he was doing karting only 1.5 years before, so it is clear that he was the one to learn from the prime Ricciardo.

[Bill]

Ric was in his prime and had just destroyed Vettel. Verstappen was starting his F1 career at a young age with little experience, so he was learning in F1.

so you agree with my point that Max since then get only drivers starting f1 career ,so are likely to lose against him not drivers in their "prime'

Pérez was in his prime when he joined Red Bull. Like others, he faltered when he could not match Verstappen's pace. When the 17-year-old Verstappen made his F1 debut, he was doing karting only 1.5 years before, so it is clear that he was the one to learn from the prime Ricciardo.

when you said prime i thought you meant world champion driver.lewis had to fight three world champion if you want to understand what it means to have a proper teammate who can challenge you.perez was all about money gasly and Albon gap to Max was small if you compare.

[GrizzleBoy]

Ric was in his prime and had just destroyed Vettel. Verstappen was starting his F1 career at a young age with little experience, so he was learning in F1.

so you agree with my point that Max since then get only drivers starting f1 career ,so are likely to lose against him not drivers in their "prime'

Pérez was in his prime when he joined Red Bull. Like others, he faltered when he could not match Verstappen's pace. When the 17-year-old Verstappen made his F1 debut, he was doing karting only 1.5 years before, so it is clear that he was the one to learn from the prime Ricciardo.

Perez was literally about to have his F1 career ended until Red Bull scooped him up at the end.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

so you agree with my point that Max since then get only drivers starting f1 career ,so are likely to lose against him not drivers in their "prime'

Pérez was in his prime when he joined Red Bull. Like others, he faltered when he could not match Verstappen's pace. When the 17-year-old Verstappen made his F1 debut, he was doing karting only 1.5 years before, so it is clear that he was the one to learn from the prime Ricciardo.

when you said prime i thought you meant world champion driver.lewis had to fight three world champion if you want to understand what it means to have a proper teammate who can challenge you.perez was all about money gasly and Albon gap to Max was small if you compare.

Verstappen and Schumacher have had similar careers, except Verstappen's teammates have complained about a tricky car while Verstappen has taken victories and championships. That's why Verstappen and Red Bull are different; they have a philosophy where making the car fast means making it oversteer, and they have a driver who can handle it. This has been confirmed by Wache and Albon. This makes Verstappen almost an irreplaceable driver for Red Bull at the moment.

Hamilton has had tough teammates but also wingmen like Kovalainen and Bottas. The hybrid-Merc was a monster train in rails because they could dominate with their engine in sleep mode, so the car was so easy to handle that their reserve driver could have driven it straight to victory in Sakhir 2020 unless Merc had ruined their race.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

so you agree with my point that Max since then get only drivers starting f1 career ,so are likely to lose against him not drivers in their "prime'

Pérez was in his prime when he joined Red Bull. Like others, he faltered when he could not match Verstappen's pace. When the 17-year-old Verstappen made his F1 debut, he was doing karting only 1.5 years before, so it is clear that he was the one to learn from the prime Ricciardo.

Perez was literally about to have his F1 career ended until Red Bull scooped him up at the end.

Because Daddy Stroll bought the seat for big name Vettel late in the season when other seats were already taken. Sacking Pérez had nothing to do with his driving and was just an Aston Martin image lift. It was clear that Lance isn't making room for Vettel.

[CMSMJ1]

Let's all step away from the tedious driver yin-yang and let's be less likely to jump down the throats of your fello forum friends..

Thanks, in advance.

The season is coming..we don't need to be beating the 2016 season to death do we?

It's bad form to quote ones self..but - stop the utterly boring Max fandom.

Some deletion may occur if the off topic continues

[Wouter]

Max Verstappen - 4 Time World Champion, Goals For Team Redline, Retirement Plans After F1

We sit down with four-time F1 World Champion Max Verstappen at the Heineken Player Zero Zero event in Madrid.
Max shares his passion for sim racing, fostering young talent, and his exciting plans for the future.

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In my opinion watching the way he races, maturity, progression, Lindblad will be driving for red bull racing by 2028 and he seems like a future champion to me. I think any sort of future planning in the absence of Verstappen should be considering him heavily. He will almost certainly be driving for racing bulls already in 2026.

[Wouter]

Newey expected departure at Red Bull: 'I would have called you crazy'

It is a big loss for Red Bull Racing: Adrian Newey is no longer working for the team he helped make great, which took some getting used to for the Austrians, but certainly also for himself. Speaking to Auto, Motor und Sport, Newey says of his departure:
"I think if you'd said to me 12 months ago would I be leaving Red Bull and then now ultimately starting again
I'd have said ‘no, you're crazy'."
[a year ago was before the Horner gate started]

"But for various reasons I felt I wouldn't be true to myself if I stayed at Red Bull so the first difficult decision was exactly that do I stay or not at Red Bull. So I obviously came to the conclusion that in being honest with myself, I couldn't," Newey said.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vid ... ey-teil-1/

[Wouter]

Translated from the Dutch Motorsport.com:

Red Bull open about correlation problems in F1: "Never completely solved"

Technical director Pierre Waché discusses the correlation problems that Red Bull Racing experienced in the past Formula 1 season and explains why they have never been completely solved, not even in 2025.

When asked whether Red Bull has now completely solved the correlation problem, Waché responded with a laugh at the start of the winter break: "No. It will never be completely solved." According to the 52-year-old Frenchman, this is because the correlation between theory and practice will never be one hundred percent. "And what is more: if you keep the same regulations for a certain period of time, the improvements you are looking for are increasingly smaller. Then the accuracy of your tools has to be increasingly greater." Waché indicates that the top teams are now so evenly matched that teams look at marginal gains - very small profit margins - which means that correlation is even more about the details.

"Because you're looking for small things, the correlation aspect becomes even more important. On the aero side, and the same goes for the suspension, you're looking at two or three points of downforce for the floor, the bodywork, etc. That then also affects parts of the car that you don't test in the wind tunnel, simply because you can't simulate them in CFD. That's where it starts to get dangerous," explains the Red Bull Racing technical chief. It's exactly what happened in 2024: Red Bull came up with novelties that in theory should have given more downforce, but in practice had unwanted side effects and upset the balance of the car.

"It's improved [at the moment] in the areas that we understand. But in Formula 1 you're always on the verge of a new problem," laughs the technical director. "That's the reality and that's also why we're here, to anticipate problems that you might have." According to Waché, that's what makes the premier class so interesting. “It is dangerous to blindly trust the system. I am not saying that we should not trust it, but you have to put everything into perspective and know that on the track you do not reproduce exactly what you test.”

“Even on the track, the situation can change from day to day. The wind can be different and the tyres can completely change the behaviour of a car. Moreover, we must not forget what we are talking about. We are talking about one millisecond, so that makes it difficult.” Waché also makes it clear that not blindly trusting the numbers should be the mindset within an F1 team. “A team is only good if you have doubts and are never sure of yourself. If you are sure of yourself, then you know that you are failing.”

https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... /10691541/