Red Bull RB21 Speculation Thread

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Wouter wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 18:57
organic wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 12:59
According to Motorsport Turkey (who are reliable)

They will shake down the rb21 privately at Silverstone as usual
and launch the livery at the F1 75 event. But the real car will only seen with good detail at F1 testing

https://twitter.com/KemalSengulll/statu ... NsW4Q&s=19
Where did you read that? I was looking on the side you mentioned but I can't find this. This is the only article I could find:

https://tr.motorsport.com/f1/news/yeni- ... /10687887/
Interesting that Wache is saying they will go lower clearance with stiffer suspension, not sure how this going to help with their kerb riding problem?

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the EDGE wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 18:28
Vappy wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 13:16
organic wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 12:59
According to Motorsport Turkey (who are reliable)

Red bull will not host an event unveiling their real car. They will shake down the rb21 privately at Silverstone as usual and launch the livery at the F1 75 event. But the real car will only seen with good detail at F1 testing

As spectacles go, this is a pretty depressing (and unfortunately common) showing for the fans.
When was the last time RB showed a real car before day 1 of testing?
My post was simply an expression of disappointment on how this car and others are being revealed, not one out of surprise or confusion.

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Vappy wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 23:44
the EDGE wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 18:28
Vappy wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 13:16


As spectacles go, this is a pretty depressing (and unfortunately common) showing for the fans.
When was the last time RB showed a real car before day 1 of testing?
My post was simply an expression of disappointment on how this car and others are being revealed, not one out of surprise or confusion.
Ouch, this is MB territory from the latest years, i hope he means something else.

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bluechris wrote:
12 Jan 2025, 12:00
Vappy wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 23:44
the EDGE wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 18:28


When was the last time RB showed a real car before day 1 of testing?
My post was simply an expression of disappointment on how this car and others are being revealed, not one out of surprise or confusion.
Ouch, this is MB territory from the latest years, i hope he means something else.
Care to explain, as he is confused?

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Vappy wrote:
12 Jan 2025, 13:40
bluechris wrote:
12 Jan 2025, 12:00
Vappy wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 23:44


My post was simply an expression of disappointment on how this car and others are being revealed, not one out of surprise or confusion.
Ouch, this is MB territory from the latest years, i hope he means something else.
Care to explain, as he is confused?
I think he means something else, i mean really, how a stiffer suspension and lower to the ground car will help curb riding? Ok rb20 had too stiff roll bar from my understanding also but i don't get it either.

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My understanding from Wache's interview with Mark Hughes et al in F1.com was that flexi wing allowed McL/Ferrari to run stiffer but still get away with it in slow speed stuff. Red Bull were playing with suspensions in 22/23 but couldn't do it to the same extent McL was in 2024 with flexi wing. So expecting to see flexi wing tricks.
Call a spade, a spade.

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https://autoracer.it/it/nuova-td18-red- ... la-mclaren

Apparently red bull are unhappy about the flexi-wing TD as they invested a lot of time and budget for the rb21 in flexible wings

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FIA are completely corrupt.

Teams asked for the front wing flexibility to be banned last year. They were told no and also told they weren't going to be touched in 2025.

How can they turn around in late January 2025 and say that there will be a TD introduced, in a cost cap era as well!

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Autoracer is a respectable source, but I would be cautious who is unhappy or not at this stage. Just one page back Motorsport.com Turkey Version or Funoanalisitecnica claimed things that were simply not true.

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This organization turns more and more into an absolute 🤡.
It's not just Red Bull, I feel for all teams, that arbitrariness is the way the FIA is acting.

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At this point it looks like FIA is deliberately trollong, or I don't see any other explanation.
Honestly either banning or allowing it for 2025 would have been fine, but this is just plain stupid. And they also took their sweet time to come up with this nonsense, it is not like they had to react quickly, lol.

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Does anybody know if TD's are coming out of the blue or do teams get informed earlier than the publication date?

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lio007 wrote:
01 Feb 2025, 15:27
Does anybody know if TD's are coming out of the blue or do teams get informed earlier than the publication date?
Seems like teams were told in late January

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I guess it depends, historically many times TDs were published with little to no anticipation (I'm thinking about floor's side edges in 2017, which hurt Ferrari SF70H)...

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Obviously because this is in RB thread ( but I'd put Ferrari in this too) as both tried to understand last season what was going to happen in this direction, that would ultimately affect their approach ths year.

I'm not in favour of changes mid season generally, this one (being end of era) should be just left alone from this aspect.

The FIA effectively banjaxed a good season in 2022 with similar interference, skewing the balance between this team and Ferrari, to ultimately deny us a good race for championship that was underway.

From this latest definition, it does feel like FIA are just meddling rather than covering any overt technical concern.

It's certainly not welcomed at this stage of the season to be informed of this.