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The conversation came from the fact that Brundle mentioned that Ferrari (ie their *car*) were rumoured to have found more over the winter than their rivals.
I did not hear it like this and everyone should know that such statements are BS...no one knows how much the others have found or have not found. After last year no one even knows if what they have found does not kill drivability.
1. The first one is about an upgraded car's braking system, which will sport a reverse Bell system to improve the brake cooling & brake cooling management but also to clean the turbulent airflow near the brake duct area :
(starting at 4:59 min.):
2. The second rumor is about the new pull-road suspension system, something that everybody is talking about and seems to be a HAM technical demand for the new car. This system is described by an Italian YouTuber in detail here (you could use translation via CC):
1. The first one is about an upgraded car's braking system, which will sport a reverse Bell system to improve the brake cooling & brake cooling management but also to clean the turbulent airflow near the brake duct area :
(starting at 4:59 min.):
2. The second rumor is about the new pull-road suspension system, something that everybody is talking about and seems to be a HAM technical demand for the new car. This system is described by an Italian YouTuber in detail here (you could use translation via CC):
What is exclusive here? they just mirrored Push rod assy around X axis
1. The first one is about an upgraded car's braking system, which will sport a reverse Bell system to improve the brake cooling & brake cooling management but also to clean the turbulent airflow near the brake duct area :
(starting at 4:59 min.):
2. The second rumor is about the new pull-road suspension system, something that everybody is talking about and seems to be a HAM technical demand for the new car. This system is described by an Italian YouTuber in detail here (you could use translation via CC):
Not a single driver on the grid would be able to tell you the differences between a push-pull rod other than the obvious inversion of the rod.
They are not design engineers nor vehicle dynamists nor aero dynamicists. The people who are make those decisions which are driven by data and evidence, not by the suggestions of a driver who couldn't tell you the difference if they tried. Besides that Hamilton has never driven a pull-rod front car in his time in F1, where would his preference stem from?
1. The first one is about an upgraded car's braking system, which will sport a reverse Bell system to improve the brake cooling & brake cooling management but also to clean the turbulent airflow near the brake duct area :
(starting at 4:59 min.):
2. The second rumor is about the new pull-road suspension system, something that everybody is talking about and seems to be a HAM technical demand for the new car. This system is described by an Italian YouTuber in detail here (you could use translation via CC):
Not a single driver on the grid would be able to tell you the differences between a push-pull rod other than the obvious inversion of the rod.
They are not design engineers nor vehicle dynamists nor aero dynamicists. The people who are make those decisions which are driven by data and evidence, not by the suggestions of a driver who couldn't tell you the difference if they tried. Besides that Hamilton has never driven a pull-rod front car in his time in F1, where would his preference stem from?
Let's not believe such ridiculous crap.
PS: Never ever ever quote a F1 news page from Youtube as a source of rumors. They talk about things they don't understand, which they explain poorly or incorrectly with their AI voice generators for the purposes of generating clicks.
I think what they MEANT was lewis commented on suspension on Merc and maybe wanted to have some ideas on what ferrari are doing. No way did he go into negotiations and say i want this/that suspension layout!!!
that i think is click-bait headlines to say lewis demanded a certain suspension layout at the front lol
There have been many instances of drivers going hey, this competitor is doing xyz, maybe we should take a look into that.
Redbull and McLaren won the titles last year and were a step above everyone else. Obviously you want to look at what they are doing that is different to the rest of the field
There have been many instances of drivers going hey, this competitor is doing xyz, maybe we should take a look into that.
Redbull and McLaren won the titles last year and were a step above everyone else. Obviously you want to look at what they are doing that is different to the rest of the field
That doesn't sound like “demanding” changes to me.
Highly unlikely that LH would have influenced the car design concept down to that level during his swap negotiations. I'd put it at infinitesimal in size.
Driver not car, apologies, the LH meeting with John Elkann reported as innocent in 2023 ? likely the genesis of move, LH must have been of enquiring mindset to even go towards that, perhaps offering admiration toward Ferrari, met with a friendly " it's not too late to come here" feel of general and probing "dance" coupled with a natural break in CS contract coming up at 2024 end. A plant the seeds and see if they grow from both sides.
In other words, a business/image/possibility driven landscape, and nothing technical at all.
Back to the car, LH can see the relative team and chassis performance, trajectory etc along with relative front running pace and abilities to identify contain and advance their car throughout more recent years results.
For the 677 specifically, now at the point in rules set at which everyone is settled, concepts convergence and smaller gains to be had, it's a natural refinement of technical layout to fully consider what are relative fine details (in comparison to 2022 raw delivery) pull rod etc coming fully into that arena.
Of course each team has substantial internal and supplier support for suspension concept, the reality of what is desirable, the compromise needed to package it, which areas to accept in contrasting one attribute against another, that's if difference in direction causes a technical debate.
This was observed in the AN 2022 concept delivery, of vehicle and aero facilitated around key suspension attribute, that's nothing unusual.
I'm expecting to see this, 677, carrying many refinement based on extensive data set of previous three chassis. Little bits everywhere to squeeze it all in mitigation of noted problems and potential developments as it accumilates track time now going into this season running.
It's an exciting time for them. Non of us, or Italian press leaks, can accurately give projection though. They've as much chance as any of the direct front runners in being fast.
Equally, there's alot of deep thinking going down in all the teams and their technical expertise being matched against one another. It's not an easy thing to accomplish, and why it's so intense and interesting to see how they stack up.
