2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Lol...all the negative comments here...

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Timtim99 wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:27
Seanspeed wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:01
Fakepivot wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 14:54
man, it looks rough for ham, he din't look comfortable in some fast runs
Didn't look good in Leclerc's hands this morning, either.

Impressions so far from testing is that Ferrari have not nailed it this year.
What observations led you to believe that Ferrari hasn’t nailed it during testing? They’re following a structured testing program, evaluating how the car responds in various racing conditions. Testing isn’t just about speed or balance; it’s about executing all planned assessments to gather crucial data.
I'm not saying they've produced a turd, I'm just saying it looks extremely likely they haven't built the large leap forward they needed to fight for a championship on a real competitive basis. A top car like the Mclaren shows a more effortless manner in its ability to get around the track and deliver laptime at will. The Ferrari simply does not.

Is it possible that Ferrari have fooled everybody including most of the paddock with a masterful display of sandbagging over this whole test, while secretly harboring a monster of a car that's gonna be all magically sorted in Melbourne? Sure, it's technically possible, but I'm betting you wont be running to any casino to bet on it either, will you?

Nothing I'm saying is overly reactionary or anything. We can all cross our fingers and hope such an impression is wrong, we'll see, but I'm betting most all of you, deep down, agree with what I'm saying.
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Maybe I'm speaking too soon, without telemetry etc, but Lewis' race simulation is extremely slow so far

If the tyre is c4 rather than c3 as the live feed states, that could explain it
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Hamilton's race sim looking very slow so far

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Yeah…today has been, downbeat.

Can only hope it’s self determined in being.

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organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:41
Maybe I'm speaking too soon, without telemetry etc, but Lewis' race simulation is extremely slow so far

If the tyre is c4 rather than c3 as the live feed states, that could explain it
Yeah Ham is on the c3, so I have no explanation for that shockingly bad stint

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Timtim99 wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:27
Seanspeed wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:01
Fakepivot wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 14:54
man, it looks rough for ham, he din't look comfortable in some fast runs
Didn't look good in Leclerc's hands this morning, either.

Impressions so far from testing is that Ferrari have not nailed it this year.
What observations led you to believe that Ferrari hasn’t nailed it during testing? They’re following a structured testing program, evaluating how the car responds in various racing conditions. Testing isn’t just about speed or balance; it’s about executing all planned assessments to gather crucial data.
Quite clear that for now McL is ahead by a significant margin
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organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:50
organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:41
Maybe I'm speaking too soon, without telemetry etc, but Lewis' race simulation is extremely slow so far

If the tyre is c4 rather than c3 as the live feed states, that could explain it
Yeah Ham is on the c3, so I have no explanation for that shockingly bad stint
He's on c4, but that's not a race sim.

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It’s still strange that Ferrari in the first sector loses quite a lot to both McLaren and Mercedes, I’m not sure if this is true, in the first sector the gap is about 3-4 tenths constantly

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dialtone wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:53
organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:50
organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:41
Maybe I'm speaking too soon, without telemetry etc, but Lewis' race simulation is extremely slow so far

If the tyre is c4 rather than c3 as the live feed states, that could explain it
Yeah Ham is on the c3, so I have no explanation for that shockingly bad stint
He's on c4, but that's not a race sim.
No banding on the tyre so c3?

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And it's quite possible it was a race sim but they abandoned it after the tyres were ruined
outlap
1: 36.496
1: 36.624
1: 36.862
1: 36.499
1: 37.255
1: 36.835
1: 36.851
1: 38.075
1: 37.076
1: 37.791
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Maybe they tested something, but with 1hr30 left they went out with full tank on c3 tyre which looked like a 1st stint until they hooked him in, presumably to make setup changes.

Hamilton hasn't done a full race simulation yet, and that would've been a perfect time to do one. It all just points to the setup being horrific
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sport777 wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:53
It’s still strange that Ferrari in the first sector loses quite a lot to both McLaren and Mercedes, I’m not sure if this is true, in the first sector the gap is about 3-4 tenths constantly
Watching the telemetry, Lewis is roughly 5~10 KM/H slower on long straights and short straight too. Looks like they are running on lower engine mode for sure. Same as Leclerc Yesterday.

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organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:56
dialtone wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:53
organic wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 16:50


Yeah Ham is on the c3, so I have no explanation for that shockingly bad stint
He's on c4, but that's not a race sim.
No banding on the tyre so c3?
I stand corrected, he was on c3.

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Leclerc press conference:

It's tough to confirm the feeling given the weird conditions we have found in Bahrain this year. There is no reference for these conditions when looking at previous years. Today and yesterday, we struggled with the balance, so our work will be on there.

It's too early to say how happy we are with the car. We'll see in Melbourne when we put it all together. The last two days we have been focused on testing setups and finding better balance, and we were able to complete the program we wanted in order to check this.

Besides the event in Milan, there's a lot of work to do. We'll be doing quite a lot of laps in the simulator to find the last details that will make the difference in Australia.

The race simulation from yesterday is a first glimpse of what we can expect, but there are a lot of unknowns still so we need to take it with a pinch of salt. However, it was an important run to understand where we were lacking compared to McLaren and how I feel about the car. And like I've been saying we still have work to do before Melbourne on the balance.
For the people who like to overanalyze his body language... he didn't seem upset or happy. Very neutral. He's gotten better at hiding his emotions :lol:

The issue is clear. The drivers aren't comfortable with the balance of the car and they've been saying this all weekend, even through their typical PR responses.

For what it's worth, he also said he is 300% (yes, 300%) confident in Fred and the team's direction for the car, they only need to nail down the details now.

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I think I read in a reddit post, Fred said they will see for 5 race and if not probably competitive they will focus on 2026.. soo it looking more likely is't it

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 17:09
Leclerc press conference:

It's tough to confirm the feeling given the weird conditions we have found in Bahrain this year. There is no reference for these conditions when looking at previous years. Today and yesterday, we struggled with the balance, so our work will be on there.

It's too early to say how happy we are with the car. We'll see in Melbourne when we put it all together. The last two days we have been focused on testing setups and finding better balance, and we were able to complete the program we wanted in order to check this.

Besides the event in Milan, there's a lot of work to do. We'll be doing quite a lot of laps in the simulator to find the last details that will make the difference in Australia.

The race simulation from yesterday is a first glimpse of what we can expect, but there are a lot of unknowns still so we need to take it with a pinch of salt. However, it was an important run to understand where we were lacking compared to McLaren and how I feel about the car. And like I've been saying we still have work to do before Melbourne on the balance.
For the people who like to overanalyze his body language... he didn't seem upset or happy. Very neutral. He's gotten better at hiding his emotions :lol:

The issue is clear. The drivers aren't comfortable with the balance of the car and they've been saying this all weekend, even through their typical PR responses.

For what it's worth, he also said he is 300% (yes, 300%) confident in Fred and the team's direction for the car, they only need to nail down the details now.
Ferrari needed a very strong start so this is very worrying.
Leclerc just confirmed that things are not looking good at the moment, which means 2025 is more or less compromised due to the big change for 2026.

This team just can't deliver a complete package over a season to fight for the title.
Bahrain is also a track that doesn't even really highlight big aero issues....
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