2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Seanspeed]

BTW, what would constitute as success for 2025 for RedBull/Max? Is there a consensus on that?

1. WDC/WCC by few races to spare
2. Being able to fight for WDC but with 50/50 outcome (vs McLaren presumably?)
3. Clear 2nd with being able to pick up a few wins here and there and hope for the rest
4. Being in the mix of 4 big teams and able to fight for podiums consistently?

For me it is #2, but other people might have different expectations so that will make interpretation of events different, too.

When you're entering a season as WDC with no serious regulation changes, nothing except a repeat will be anything except a disappointment.

For Red Bull as a team, it's a little more complicated, but if they cant regularly compete with Mclaren for wins on merit, then it'll be solidification of Red Bull's backslide.

[Macklaren]

I think this could be a make or break season for Waché as well.
He needs to show that he can stand on his own without Newey, but if he can't turn it around this year and maybe comes up with a dud in 2026, that could be career over for him.

Agreed, but kind of like Allison at Merc, what is RBR's option? not like there is another Newey out there that they can bring on board

[ispano6]

Red Bull likely is suffering from the loss of Newey and Rob Marshall, both who could take driver feedback and make appropriate adjustments. McLaren obviously is benefitting from gaining Marshall.

[leblanc]

I think this could be a make or break season for Waché as well...

100%

[leblanc]

Red Bull likely is suffering from the loss of Newey and Rob Marshall, both who could take driver feedback and make appropriate adjustments. McLaren obviously is benefitting from gaining Marshall.

>race engineer during Schumi 94 and 95
>head of mechanical design, mass damper dude during Alonso 05 and 06
>chief designer during Vettel 10 thru 13
>chief engineering officer during Verstappen 21 thru partial 23

bro is a winner and spent 17 years being newey's newey

[JordanMugen]

When you're entering a season as WDC with no serious regulation changes, nothing except a repeat will be anything except a disappointment.

Do folks suppose this is plausible or indeed likely?

Some media outlet seems to talk of Red Bull having "a disappointing test" implying Red Bull being only the 4th fastest team, as opposed to the fastest or equal fastest.

Are media outlets mistaken with their talk of significant spread of the top four teams (based only on running at one track, in one set of conditions -- surely unrepresentative)?

All misdirection before the Red Bull goes on to take pole in Melbourne and dominate or at least win the Australian Grand Prix?

I mean this is plenty expected (at least by me), you had to be quite delusional (or a Ferrari fan ) to hope being able to overcome McLaren during the winter.

If so (difficult to overtake McLaren), why would Red Bull refine the 2024 car instead of making a radical car full of the new, innovative ideas of Wache and others?

Wache seems to imply the small step targeted fell short, so why not aim bigger and then fall short and therefore still make a big step?

As a Max fan, I enjoyed 4 fantastic years so I am ok with the idea of not being in title fight this year, anything more will be a bonus.

If I'm not mistaken, Red Bull fans seem to be downplaying the genius of Pierre Wache and Wache's ability to deliver best-in-class racing vehicles...?

We'll be proven wrong when, or if, Wache heads up a dominant concept from scratch for the 2026 regulation cycle!

[JordanMugen]

Agreed, but kind of like Allison at Merc, what is RBR's option? not like there is another Newey out there that they can bring on board

How about Sauber ace James Key?

It's curious that Key went from the renowned ace of Sauber and Toro Rosso, to being out of favour at McLaren and presiding over very slow tail-end Saubers.

[continuum16]

Agreed, but kind of like Allison at Merc, what is RBR's option? not like there is another Newey out there that they can bring on board

How about Sauber ace James Key?

It's curious that Key went from the renowned ace of Sauber and Toro Rosso, to being out of favour at McLaren and presiding over very slow tail-end Saubers.

It would be somewhat ironic if Dan Fallows returned. After all, the narrative of him leaving was that he got out of Newey’s shadow, and now Newey is once again his boss. Unless he already left AM and I forgot, which is possible.