Concept power units from 2030

[Holm86]

Gotta side with the standard ICE opinions. Grow the fuel with F1 sponsored agriculture putting jobs into poor economies and selling that kind of green picture. Downsize battery and use it only for reasons like what Newey talks about - smoother shift, better out of slow corners and starts to reach torque curve from low rpm. Downsize the car. Go to 18’ or my god dare to dream 16” wheels. Maybe some kind of push to pass.

As much as I'd love a formula like that, growing foodstock in poor countries for burning it inside racing engines is as bad as it gets for the agricultural people.

In USSR it didn't go very well when all the food was produced for money, and not to feed the people.

That's not how they're going to produce e-fuels for F1.
It's from carbon capture and hydrogen

[browney]

we dont have to go all crazy and bring back the v10 or v12 ( size etc..)
just go back to the V8 hybrids with a bigger kers.

there is no need to be a big heavy thing, we get the noise, and the push to pass / electrical with the Carbon neutral fuels..
everyone gets what they want!

Also cars go down in size and weight like 100kg less than today and we would all be liking it a lot more!

Yes, this.
Still 'road revalent' because the kers is similar to hybrid systems.

Free up some for the battery regs to focus on improving amount of recovery and weight of the battery.

Let the driver control when to use the boost, so it works like a push to pass.

[DenBommer]

Personally, I think it will never happen. Why would they go back to a V10?

I believe the hybrid aspect is something that will remain. I can still see them moving towards a simple naturally aspirated V8 with around 700 horsepower, supported by one or two electric motors with 400 horsepower.

A simple combustion engine so they can focus more on further developing the electric motors and battery. But ultimately, I think we’ll end up with a turbocharged V4 rather than a naturally aspirated V8.

[mclaren111]

Bring Back V10's.... Zero Electrical BS....

[Seanspeed]

Bring Back V10's.... Zero Electrical BS....

It is what it is at this point. We're never going back unless you want a dual or even maybe single engine supplier F1 series, which I dont think anybody does.

I think a fight to make the cars lighter is probably a more achievable 'fan aim' now in terms of getting back to some classic characteristics.

[mzso]

Gotta side with the standard ICE opinions. Grow the fuel with F1 sponsored agriculture putting jobs into poor economies and selling that kind of green picture. Downsize battery and use it only for reasons like what Newey talks about - smoother shift, better out of slow corners and starts to reach torque curve from low rpm. Downsize the car. Go to 18’ or my god dare to dream 16” wheels. Maybe some kind of push to pass.

As much as I'd love a formula like that, growing foodstock in poor countries for burning it inside racing engines is as bad as it gets for the agricultural people.

In USSR it didn't go very well when all the food was produced for money, and not to feed the people.

Don't you know that some years ago the FIA invented a miracle bio-fuel, that only uses otherwise unused waste?

[BassVirolla]

Gotta side with the standard ICE opinions. Grow the fuel with F1 sponsored agriculture putting jobs into poor economies and selling that kind of green picture. Downsize battery and use it only for reasons like what Newey talks about - smoother shift, better out of slow corners and starts to reach torque curve from low rpm. Downsize the car. Go to 18’ or my god dare to dream 16” wheels. Maybe some kind of push to pass.

As much as I'd love a formula like that, growing foodstock in poor countries for burning it inside racing engines is as bad as it gets for the agricultural people.

In USSR it didn't go very well when all the food was produced for money, and not to feed the people.

Don't you know that some years ago the FIA invented a miracle bio-fuel, that only uses otherwise unused waste?

This "miracle" makes me wonder if you are joking.

If you're not, I'd like to be pointed to some article / information about how it's done.

[BassVirolla]

Gotta side with the standard ICE opinions. Grow the fuel with F1 sponsored agriculture putting jobs into poor economies and selling that kind of green picture. Downsize battery and use it only for reasons like what Newey talks about - smoother shift, better out of slow corners and starts to reach torque curve from low rpm. Downsize the car. Go to 18’ or my god dare to dream 16” wheels. Maybe some kind of push to pass.

As much as I'd love a formula like that, growing foodstock in poor countries for burning it inside racing engines is as bad as it gets for the agricultural people.

In USSR it didn't go very well when all the food was produced for money, and not to feed the people.

That's not how they're going to produce e-fuels for F1.
It's from carbon capture and hydrogen

I've read multiple times the "carbon capture" thing, but never reached to know how it's done. Could you point me to some useful information?

[Tommy Cookers]

I've read multiple times the "carbon capture" thing, but never reached to know how it's done. Could you point me to some useful information?

if we don't burn fuel in air we can easily remove the CO2 from the exhaust (of whatever drives our generators)
https://netpower.com/technology/
and surplus electricity from wind farms etc is 'free' so can be used to get the oxygen for fuel burning
the overall efficiency can be seen as c.65% - and the carbon efficiency is c.97%

[DenBommer]

I hope that if the FIA seriously considers the V10, they take this superlubricity technology into account in their considerations.

https://newatlas.com/materials/superlubricity-friction-machines/

[Dr. Acula]

I hope that if the FIA seriously considers the V10, they take this superlubricity technology into account in their considerations.

https://newatlas.com/materials/superlub ... -machines/

It's mentioned in the text that lifespan of the coating was about "150'000 cycles". What do they consider a cycle? Does that mean that in case of a gearbox, its lifespan is 150'000 meshings of the teeth? That wouldn't be a lot for most gearboxes.

[mzso]

As much as I'd love a formula like that, growing foodstock in poor countries for burning it inside racing engines is as bad as it gets for the agricultural people.

In USSR it didn't go very well when all the food was produced for money, and not to feed the people.

Don't you know that some years ago the FIA invented a miracle bio-fuel, that only uses otherwise unused waste?

This "miracle" makes me wonder if you are joking.

If you're not, I'd like to be pointed to some article / information about how it's done.

I'll try to dig it up. But, how it's done was secret.

[mzso]

As much as I'd love a formula like that, growing foodstock in poor countries for burning it inside racing engines is as bad as it gets for the agricultural people.

In USSR it didn't go very well when all the food was produced for money, and not to feed the people.

Don't you know that some years ago the FIA invented a miracle bio-fuel, that only uses otherwise unused waste?

This "miracle" makes me wonder if you are joking.

If you're not, I'd like to be pointed to some article / information about how it's done.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/form ... l/4928969/
This is one of the news reports. Absolutely no details about the process. And they never brought it up again...
Maybe this is the original: https://www.fia.com/news/fia-introduces ... d-net-zero

[ENGINE TUNER]

v8 NA, with kers, go from the 6.8sec they had per lap to 8 sec per lap. thats it... battery should even be smaller than before with better performance. the v8 scream and use carbon neutral fuel, cars smaller and over 100kg lighter thats what everyone wants for god sake

Please stop repeating the same wrong information. The current turbo hybrid PUs did not make the car bigger or heavier, in fact it made them lighter on the start grid. The 2014 cars with the 1.6Lv6 turbo hybrid had the same length and width as the 2013 2.4Lv8 with Kers. Minimum mass in 2013 was 642kg(including driver), minimum mass in 2014 was 691(including driver), that is a difference of 49kg which is less than the difference in fuel mass between the 2 seasons. A majority of the increased mass was not for the new for 2014 PU, it was for increased safety standards and much heavier tires. Radiators(and their drag penalty, were also much decreased), if you haven't noticed the radiator openings are less than half what they were with the v8s.

Also, the same mass of battery, 25kg, was used for kers as it is for the current PU.

The total mass for the current PU plus fuel is less than the total mass of the 2.4L V8 plus kers plus fuel. The mass savings increase even more when you take into account much smaller fuel tank and radiators.

[wuzak]

Also, the same mass of battery, 25kg, was used for kers as it is for the current PU.

I couldn't find any refernce to a weight limit for the 2009-2013 KERS battery.

But it is doubtful that a battery of 300kJ storage weighed the same as one with 4MJ.