2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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They've brought the Bahrain test day 3 new floor that was rejected/taken back off the car to Australia. The new floor is, according to The Race and Autoracer, going to be used from the start of free practice. Hopefully they have modified it/understood the problems that happened with it at testing.

Max said red bull were definitely not quickest coming into Australia but he's seemed vaguely positive so far

[Vettel165]

FP1,2,3 will be used as a test session.

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FP1,2,3 will be used as a test session.

What makes you think that

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Red Bull’s technical director Pierre Waché believes his team are going “all-in” on the start of the new F1 2025 season.

The Red Bull RB21 has seen the Milton Keynes-based squad take a different approach to extracting the maximum potential of the machine for what will be the final year of the current ground-effect regulations.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/pierre-wa ... grand-prix

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Red Bull’s technical director Pierre Waché believes his team are going “all-in” on the start of the new F1 2025 season.

The Red Bull RB21 has seen the Milton Keynes-based squad take a different approach to extracting the maximum potential of the machine for what will be the final year of the current ground-effect regulations.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/pierre-wa ... grand-prix

Reading this, I feel like they have given up qualifying pace for race pace, built a more stable car they can set up quickly and leave it in Max's hands to win from the back. It is extremely concerning though that he says they have chucked everything at the car so they start well, it doesn't look like the car to beat so far..

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Red Bull’s technical director Pierre Waché believes his team are going “all-in” on the start of the new F1 2025 season.

The Red Bull RB21 has seen the Milton Keynes-based squad take a different approach to extracting the maximum potential of the machine for what will be the final year of the current ground-effect regulations.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/pierre-wa ... grand-prix

Reading this, I feel like they have given up qualifying pace for race pace, built a more stable car they can set up quickly and leave it in Max's hands to win from the back. It is extremely concerning though that he says they have chucked everything at the car so they start well, it doesn't look like the car to beat so far..

I think all they have done is move some upgrades early on to start off as strong as possible. As hinted in the article 2026 will be a bigger concern and unless Red Bull starts winning races early enough there's no point in worrying about 2025 anymore. As it stands, McLaren will likely have an easy title defense along with one of their drivers (Lando with very high probability) being the WDC IMO.

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Car looks pretty good on the onboard. Predictable, smooth in verstappen's hands

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Car looks pretty good on the onboard. Predictable, smooth in verstappen's hands

Any comment from the drivers?

[pantherxxx]

Hard to believe that all of these performance updates only brought 3 or 4 tenths a lap. RB21 looked good on the onboard footage.

[ringo]

The car can be a front runner. Not 4th best at all.
Lawson taking his time i feel or running a different program.

[Vettel165]

I think its season over for us before it even started. We looked to be at least 0.4-0.5s down on low fuel. It was a fantastic run until it lasted. Max cant to his magic anymore with this car. A very sad day, expected much more. Now we are going to see Mclaren vs Ferrari for the title, we have no chance. Thats my first intuition, i would give everything that I am wrong. The car is stable on high fuel, but that doesnt matter, we are slow.

Sorry to say this but its game over.

[Sergej]

I think its season over for us before it even started. We looked to be at least 0.4-0.5s down on low fuel. It was a fantastic run until it lasted. Max cant to his magic anymore with this car. A very sad day, expected much more. Now we are going to see Mclaren vs Ferrari for the title, we have no chance. Thats my first intuition, i would give everything that I am wrong. The car is stable on high fuel, but that doesnt matter, we are slow.

Sorry to say this but its game over.

It's not a surprise, I've been saying it for ages.

Max says car is not even unbalanced, it's simply slow so not even the usual overnight magic leap is on the radar

Max: “The balance wasn’t bad, but for some reason we couldn’t find the grip”, said the Dutchman. “There aren’t really any balance issues, so it will be hard to solve. But it’s not completely unexpected; I’m not positively or negatively surprised by our pace. We’ve not really performed well around here since the track resurfacing. But it’s the same for everyone so we have find some more pace.”

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FP1 setup seemed a lot better for the push laps, even in sector 1 and 2 with the MCL but lost 3 tenths in turn 11 alone and ultimately 4th tenths off in the last sector.

The car just didn't seem to have the grip through all corners in FP2, the onboards for the final push lap looked very stable but was still 6 tenths off. It will be a huge problem to solve overnight, this seems to be continuation of another problem from last season, inconsistency in getting the tires to work. I think best case scenario for qualy will be 3 tenths off the top but if there is no improvement getting into Q3 will be a problem especially for Liam. Race pace compared to MCL and FER looked pretty competitive maybe 0.1-0.150 off at worst.

I wonder why they haven't experimented with a higher downforce rear wing like the FER who are 10kmph slower then MCL but still competitive on lap times. Might have been good to check if it solved the grip problems, would help on Sunday with the rain too.

[Henk_v]

I dont buy it. How many races have we seen RB f-up in free practice, only to "miraculously" find some speed end take pole. Even in early 24 we had exactly these discussions.

Max does not want to be the guy that pulls a sub par car over the line first. He wants to win as a team. He wants pressure on the team to improve. And rightly so.
"His guy" Newey left. The team had to convince him they can build a fast car and he should stay. Max is keeping them to that promise. You can bet your left arm his manager has Horner by the balls and makes him deliver.
And why would Max tolerate a mediocre RB. If he wants he can drive the next race in a mediocre green car for a 9 zero's paycheck.

[TNTHead]

Good point, his winner mentality can drive the team to new high's, he already showed that last year. But as a team you also need the tools and the brains to accomplish that.
Let's see how tomorrow goes. And even then, Melbourne isn't historically a track that suits the Red Bull car.