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RedNEO wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 11:19
The innovations behind Aston Martin's new wind tunnel and how Newey could help

Adrian Newey assigned to drafting 2026 Aston Martin concepts, but could be involved with this year's F1 car as new wind tunnel opens for service

https://ibb.co/0R3McTgS


Aston Martin starts using new wind tunnel
Photo by: Aston Martin
Aston Martin's all-new Formula 1 wind tunnel has now been fired up for the team's development work for the 2025 and 2026 seasons - and team principal Andy Cowell hasn't ruled out Adrian Newey getting involved in its current-season development.

The new wind tunnel has had a lengthy gestation period, with commissioning work taking place in the second half of 2024 before the tunnel could start to be calibrated and then used to underpin the team's simulation work.

Aston Martin has spent the last decade and a half using Mercedes' wind tunnel facilities in Brackley; although the team had its own tunnel at the other end of the Northamptonshire town, this was a throwback to its days as Jordan and scarcely used for anything other than office space.

Team principal Andy Cowell joked that the aerodynamicists no longer had to "put a coat on" to begin work at the new wind tunnel, and that it features a wealth of technology that he believes enhances the team's understanding of flow conditions versus what it was used to with the Mercedes wind tunnel.

"It's been a big project with lots of people working on it, so it's great to see it's now our nominated wind tunnel and doing development work," Cowell said.

"It's got some great technology in the in the measurement systems and within the model that goes within the tunnel - and just having everything together in one location, the aerodynamicists don't even need to put a coat on to go to the wind tunnel, they just walk through!

"Before, it was loading the model into a van and down a bumpy dual carriageway and hoping it was still in the same condition when you took it out of the van at the other end.

https://ibb.co/DscZRf7

Photo by: Aston Martin
"From efficiency but also the challenge that everybody has of trying to understand what goes on with the aerodynamics on track compared with the wind tunnel compared with CFD, those three worlds that the aerodynamicists battle with.

"We believe that this new wind tunnel gives us greater understanding, greater mechanisms for understanding the flow physics of the streams going over the car."

The building in which Aston Martin's wind tunnel sits also contains additive manufacturing machinery (i.e. 3D printing tools) and the model building area to keep everything in one place.

Although much of the team's attention will be on 2026, Cowell explained that the team still had a desire to develop its 2025 machinery - thus diverting some of the wind tunnel time away from next year's all-new aerodynamic regulations.

He did not rule out big-name signing Adrian Newey chipping in with any pearls of wisdom for its 2025 development, should he have time to look outside of his 2026 obligations.
"We all want to develop our cars, and there's the new regulation set for next year with different aerodynamics, different powertrains, different fuels," Cowell added.

"How do you balance that up in a world where there's a cost cap and there's aero restrictions in CFD and in the wind tunnel? We've all got to take our judgements and work out what to do.

https://ibb.co/PZb40gz8

Photo by: Aston Martin

"Adrian joining brings a huge amount of experience and a great competitive mindset, and the choice that we've made at the moment is that Adrian's working on the 2026 car, he's putting a lot of effort into that and understanding that.
"Maybe when we've learned where our car is, its strengths, its weaknesses, in the opening few races, he'll help come up with the odd development tweak for the 2025 car.
"We've got a new wind tunnel, we've got lots of other equipment within the factory, and we're trying to develop and build those tools so that they all fit together and build the team spirit, so that we're focused on creating the fastest race car we possibly can."
Told you that Newey was going to focus on the 2026 project. It's impossible to "save" the 2025 car (by save i mean make it competitive for podium places)

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Xyz22 wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 16:33
RedNEO wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 11:19
The innovations behind Aston Martin's new wind tunnel and how Newey could help

Adrian Newey assigned to drafting 2026 Aston Martin concepts, but could be involved with this year's F1 car as new wind tunnel opens for service

https://ibb.co/0R3McTgS


Aston Martin starts using new wind tunnel
Photo by: Aston Martin
Aston Martin's all-new Formula 1 wind tunnel has now been fired up for the team's development work for the 2025 and 2026 seasons - and team principal Andy Cowell hasn't ruled out Adrian Newey getting involved in its current-season development.

The new wind tunnel has had a lengthy gestation period, with commissioning work taking place in the second half of 2024 before the tunnel could start to be calibrated and then used to underpin the team's simulation work.

Aston Martin has spent the last decade and a half using Mercedes' wind tunnel facilities in Brackley; although the team had its own tunnel at the other end of the Northamptonshire town, this was a throwback to its days as Jordan and scarcely used for anything other than office space.

Team principal Andy Cowell joked that the aerodynamicists no longer had to "put a coat on" to begin work at the new wind tunnel, and that it features a wealth of technology that he believes enhances the team's understanding of flow conditions versus what it was used to with the Mercedes wind tunnel.

"It's been a big project with lots of people working on it, so it's great to see it's now our nominated wind tunnel and doing development work," Cowell said.

"It's got some great technology in the in the measurement systems and within the model that goes within the tunnel - and just having everything together in one location, the aerodynamicists don't even need to put a coat on to go to the wind tunnel, they just walk through!

"Before, it was loading the model into a van and down a bumpy dual carriageway and hoping it was still in the same condition when you took it out of the van at the other end.

https://ibb.co/DscZRf7

Photo by: Aston Martin
"From efficiency but also the challenge that everybody has of trying to understand what goes on with the aerodynamics on track compared with the wind tunnel compared with CFD, those three worlds that the aerodynamicists battle with.

"We believe that this new wind tunnel gives us greater understanding, greater mechanisms for understanding the flow physics of the streams going over the car."

The building in which Aston Martin's wind tunnel sits also contains additive manufacturing machinery (i.e. 3D printing tools) and the model building area to keep everything in one place.

Although much of the team's attention will be on 2026, Cowell explained that the team still had a desire to develop its 2025 machinery - thus diverting some of the wind tunnel time away from next year's all-new aerodynamic regulations.

He did not rule out big-name signing Adrian Newey chipping in with any pearls of wisdom for its 2025 development, should he have time to look outside of his 2026 obligations.
"We all want to develop our cars, and there's the new regulation set for next year with different aerodynamics, different powertrains, different fuels," Cowell added.

"How do you balance that up in a world where there's a cost cap and there's aero restrictions in CFD and in the wind tunnel? We've all got to take our judgements and work out what to do.

https://ibb.co/PZb40gz8

Photo by: Aston Martin

"Adrian joining brings a huge amount of experience and a great competitive mindset, and the choice that we've made at the moment is that Adrian's working on the 2026 car, he's putting a lot of effort into that and understanding that.
"Maybe when we've learned where our car is, its strengths, its weaknesses, in the opening few races, he'll help come up with the odd development tweak for the 2025 car.
"We've got a new wind tunnel, we've got lots of other equipment within the factory, and we're trying to develop and build those tools so that they all fit together and build the team spirit, so that we're focused on creating the fastest race car we possibly can."
Told you that Newey was going to focus on the 2026 project. It's impossible to "save" the 2025 car (by save i mean make it competitive for podium places)
I think you’ve misread the article. Newey is going to be doing both. He started with 2026 and then for the updates for 2025 they will be using him. I don’t know why some people keep acting like Newey hasn’t worked on multiple cars or projects in his career. He’s capable of doing both. Underestimate him at your own risk if you think he can’t turn this car competitive if he wanted to especially with Astons new WT.

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diffuser wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 15:52
-wkst- wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 14:36
When ALO starts being sarcastic for no reason - reporter was just asking a normal question - you don't have to look at the time sheets anymore. Unfortunately.

Maybe they/he had secretly higher hopes and now realizes that he has to do another 23 fridays, before eventually getting a chance again...

Post FP2 interviews are new. He's disliked them since they started last year, not sure why you think that has anything to do with the time sheets.
Because that was not the usual „I don’t want to do media work“-interview. Otherwise his interview would not be a headline on Motorsport sites…

But I guess you have not even seen the interview and just comment.

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FlyingDuck wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 12:30
Looking at the telemetry it's clear Alonso wasn't pushing at all in the first corners while doing his long run and some other teams seem to be running slightly higher engine modes. It's too early to draw conclusions.
Good point. He also had a lot of flow vis during that run indicating it was for a test of some sort. Maybe seeing how the car reacts in traffic with whatever they were testing. Im sure they are gathering so much info for the new WT and simulator. Compared to last year it’s going to be interesting to see how they put together a weekend now with everything functional back at base to aid with gaining extra performance.

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"We did laps, the car goes, the engine is alive, the brakes are okay, the gearbox is changing gears up and down, so we’re good.” hehe

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SSJ4 wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 14:33
It’s guaranteed to be a wet race so will be interesting to see what setup changes are gonna be made overnight.

I haven’t watched the free practice sessions yet. Did we run any flow viz
Yes they did. In FP1 they run flow viz on rear wing (lower downforce RW), in FP2 Alonso had flow viz on the front wing

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alonso obviously just didnt want to have to jump out of the car and do an interview. he pretty much told the guy that these interviews are useless

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zoroastar wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 18:45
alonso obviously just didnt want to have to jump out of the car and do an interview. he pretty much told the guy that these interviews are useless
It's too much. Liberty Media is forcing too many media appearances on the drivers in a 24-race season.

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Alo_Fan wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 12:16
Yeah, Alonso was not happy in the interview. Not sure why
Not sure why? :lol:

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KimiRai wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 19:44
Alo_Fan wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 12:16
Yeah, Alonso was not happy in the interview. Not sure why
Not sure why? :lol:
I mean, we all knew the car was going to be 7-9th best, which is what it looks like from these two sessions. I was a bit surprised why he sounded a bit more edgy than normal.

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I didn't watch the FPs but I saw an analysis saying that Alo had a lot of traffic in his long run. He was behind Occon several laps, overtaken him, and still he could improve lap times until the end of the run.

Not saying it's way better than it could seem, but maybe a little better.

The YouTuber thinks the car is 5th, not too far from the Mercedes. Maybe too optimistic.

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Sedaxel wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 20:15
I didn't watch the FPs but I saw an analysis saying that Alo had a lot of traffic in his long run. He was behind Occon several laps, overtaken him, and still he could improve lap times until the end of the run.

Not saying it's way better than it could seem, but maybe a little better.

The YouTuber thinks the car is 5th, not too far from the Mercedes. Maybe too optimistic.
Wow, that would be a pleasant surprise. The Williams long run pace did look quite fast though.

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Yes, Williams seems quick. This guy says he disagree with almost everyone. He thinks Williams is running very fuel unloaded. He based this is slow sectors and straight braking telemetry. For him, it's quite clear they're light.

Personally, I'm not sure. I don't know what to think. The rest of analysts say We are 7th-8th car.

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Yeah, probably 7th or 8th so far, but if it rains on Sunday Alonso might work some magic, seeing how close it is.

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Aston only better than Haas, its incredible how they can make this. Sorry but, im done.