2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[LM10]

What a joke of a thread. But I'm not surprised even a bit.

[deadhead]

Even the die hard Hamilton fans should mostly care about the car and not about his teammate… the car being slow is a much bigger issue than anything else.

[ScuderiaLeo]

In qualifying, the SF-25 was 0.7 seconds faster than the SF-24, with improved straight-line speeds of up to +12 km/h. However, in medium-speed corners, it was problematic, losing 0.4 seconds compared to the old car instead of gaining 0.3 seconds.

Everything was out of the optimal performance window, as if the drivers were driving with a 40-point DWF damage penalty.

[Downforce777]

In qualifying, the SF-25 was 0.7 seconds faster than the SF-24, with improved straight-line speeds of up to +12 km/h. However, in medium-speed corners, it was problematic, losing 0.4 seconds compared to the old car instead of gaining 0.3 seconds.

Everything was out of the optimal performance window, as if the drivers were driving with a 40-point DWF damage penalty.

but with the car raised you lose a lot of performance and downforce, so it's not surprising

[SoulPancake13]

In qualifying, the SF-25 was 0.7 seconds faster than the SF-24, with improved straight-line speeds of up to +12 km/h. However, in medium-speed corners, it was problematic, losing 0.4 seconds compared to the old car instead of gaining 0.3 seconds.

Everything was out of the optimal performance window, as if the drivers were driving with a 40-point DWF damage penalty.

I get why they keep talking about the potential then. However, it is honestly more worrying in a sense that they saw something on Friday that they know they could not run for the race - whether that is plank wear(which is a terribly odd constraint considering it was a nailed on wet race where you avoid kerbs) or something else, who knows, this change took the car totally out of the window. Having such a narrow window is a omen to me. In fact, SF25 lost 4 tenths from FP2 to Q3 in medium speed when riding lighter and pushing more... I have never seen anything like that before. This race weekend will be huge in terms of understanding where the team is at regarding the clear issue with the Saturday setup.

[SoulPancake13]

In qualifying, the SF-25 was 0.7 seconds faster than the SF-24, with improved straight-line speeds of up to +12 km/h. However, in medium-speed corners, it was problematic, losing 0.4 seconds compared to the old car instead of gaining 0.3 seconds.

Everything was out of the optimal performance window, as if the drivers were driving with a 40-point DWF damage penalty.

but with the car raised you lose a lot of performance and downforce, so it's not surprising

That is a 7 tenth swing Duchessa is talking about. Raising the car a couple mm shouldn't result in that drastic of a reduction in pace, otherwise the car's window is way too narrow

[Downforce777]

In qualifying, the SF-25 was 0.7 seconds faster than the SF-24, with improved straight-line speeds of up to +12 km/h. However, in medium-speed corners, it was problematic, losing 0.4 seconds compared to the old car instead of gaining 0.3 seconds.

Everything was out of the optimal performance window, as if the drivers were driving with a 40-point DWF damage penalty.

but with the car raised you lose a lot of performance and downforce, so it's not surprising

That is a 7 tenth swing Duchessa is talking about. Raising the car a couple mm shouldn't result in that drastic of a reduction in pace, otherwise the car's window is way too narrow

we don't know how much the car was raised, the second question is about the rear suspension and gearbox, Ferrari in all the fastest laps of qualifying sometimes drove at a higher power and sometimes at a lower one, which is also very strange for qualifying

[.Bole]

Duchessa as always with Ferrari’s PR managment.
Why doesnt he say then the cause of this dwf loss, what tf did they do to the car. They couldnt stop speaking on friday how correlation is amazing and how car became better than expected.

[f1isgood]

It was just an one off race. Maybe Ferrari is slow but that was obviously an outlier given Williams and Racing Bulls were so competitive. Wait for a few more races my god.....

[SoulPancake13]

Duchessa as always with Ferrari’s PR managment.
Why doesnt he say then the cause of this dwf loss, what tf did they do to the car. They couldnt stop speaking on friday how correlation is amazing and how car became better than expected.

Did it ever occur to you that he simply doesn't have that information? What in this tweet is PR management lol. Being slower in any kind of corner than the previous year's car is a huge error.

[Fakepivot]

would it be helpful if Ferrari hired someone from say with British or neutral English accent for race engineer for Lewis? I had hard time understanding Adami, not sure how it will be for Lewis to understand with all the pressure and engine and wind noise..

Charles new race engineers has very natural accent very easy to understand.

I assume hiring race engineer is easier to hire from uk since they spend majority time anyway, right?

[catent]

I don't know how you guys have the energy to debate over the drivers when we have the best driver lineup and there are other issues with the team and car...

AutoRacer reported the leading paddock rumor for why Ferrari's performance dropped is the plank wear. I still don't understand that because Melbourne isn't bumpy. I hope purely to sate my curiosity we get further confirmation or denial of these theories before Saturday.

Lewis was saying the car was bumpy around the track. But not Charles. He only blame himself to spinning and losing P5

Yes on paper everything looks great. But that is F1.

Leclerc's spin came on cold, hard tires, in a soaking wet sector 3, after kissing a curb with an atypical entry line into turn 13, trying to reclaim a spot from Tsunoda.

The same turn Hamilton spun during free practice (in the dry).

The same turn Verstappen went deep during the race.

It was an understandable mistake, and likely one that ultimately didn't make much difference in the outcome of the race (assuming the team would've told Leclerc to stay out on that lap, as they did Hamilton; if they were planning to pit Leclerc for inters on that lap, then the mistake becomes more costly ... still, the team could've maximized Leclerc's result by pitting him that lap for inters regardless of the spin).

Much like the dialogue when it was Leclerc-Sainz, it's unfortunate to see a sort of instinctive need to tarnish one's preferred drivers teammate in order to prop up one's preferred driver (and I'm not necessarily directing this at anyone in particular; I've seen this unfortunate dynamic across many discussions in many places).

I love me some Leclerc but you'll never see me harping on Hamilton's (or Sainz's) missteps in order to prop-up Leclerc. It genuinely makes me a bit sad to see, because I am very much enjoying rooting for and supporting both Leclerc and Hamilton.

[catent]

The significant drop-off in pace in medium speed corners essentially confirms they had to raise the car.

I wonder by how much they raised it; the dropoff suggests they had to raise it a lot. Alternatively, maybe they only raised it by a couple mm, but this drastically impacted the operating window.

[Seanspeed]

Even before the Miami update, Mclaren were faster than us in China last year. Obviously we can hope that Ferrari 'fixed' whatever issue they had in Australia(or that it's simply not applicable, whatever), but I think we should be realistic that Mclaren will likely still have a sizeable advantage here. Better comparison will probably be against Merc/Red Bull.

Full track resurface will probably make specific laptime comparisons to last year difficult as well.

[Farnborough]

We'll certainly get a contrasting angle of view once this track is run. Very hard to see full picture under the first race strat and weather compromise, and that added to what appear to be plank wear reality concerns. Such a huge mix to decipher.

Something that may be going to impact Ferrari directly though, those Benz PU cars notionally all look to have moved forward (across all four team) in their deployment, which may make it even more difficult in racing amongst them within 1st to10th placement. Again, the view here in China will offer more insight, but they do seem to be very competitive for power.

There's a lot of answers to come yet from Ferrari before any consideration is given to the drivers. The overall pace this year already looks relentless.