2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Alexf1
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Sergej wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:26
organic wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 02:29
couple of quotes from Erik van Haren the past few days:
But anyone who claims that Verstappen would have all the power at Red Bull is wrong. [Verstappen] also disagrees with the team management's decision to intervene so quickly.
Red Bull is searching

It shows once again that the team is searching. Both in terms of drivers and in terms of the car. Team boss Christian Horner also had to admit after the Chinese Grand Prix that he has no idea what to expect from his team during the next showdown, in Japan in just under two weeks. He acknowledged that his team lacks speed. And of course that they are working hard to get things back on track. But that will also have happened in Milton Keynes during the winter and the fact is that the gap with the competition has only increased, compared to the already unconvincing 2024. It is logical that doubts will also arise with leader and four-time world champion Verstappen as to whether the team is still able to solve the problems.
doesn't really bode well for verstappen remaining for much longer in this team, to be honest
Well I believe whoever thinks that Max will stay in Red Bull for long is deluding himself. For me it's clear his future is elsewhere.
Well, Benetton '96 situation incoming then. Berger and Alesi were experienced and quite close to Senna and Prost as teammates. But they were nowhere in the Schumacher style Benetton. Shows you pointy car with looser rear is fastest but only drivable for the generational talented drivers that can dance on the limit no matter how hard the car is.
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Cs98
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Red Bull have two sister teams so why not use that to their advantage. People get caught up in the drama and media narratives, I don’t think this move is outrageous in the least. Sitting and idly waiting whilst your second RB car qualifies last is not an option. Let Tsunoda have a go, he deserved it more anyways. Liam is still in F1 and has a chance to prove himself in an environment he is more comfortable in at Racing Bulls. He’ll feel embarrassed, but deep down also relieved. As for Tsunoda he literally cannot do worse than Liam, even making it to Q2 would be an improvement.

Cs98
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Alexf1 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:45
Sergej wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:26
organic wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 02:29
couple of quotes from Erik van Haren the past few days:





doesn't really bode well for verstappen remaining for much longer in this team, to be honest
Well I believe whoever thinks that Max will stay in Red Bull for long is deluding himself. For me it's clear his future is elsewhere.
Well, Benetton '96 situation incoming then. Berger and Alesi were experienced and quite close as teammates against Senna and Prost. But they were nowhere in the Schumacher style Benetton. Shows you pointy car with looser rear is fastest but only for the generational talent drivers.
Except the RB21 looks neither pointy nor loose. Look at Liam’s laps in the car, it’s understeer and lack of commitment that kills the time for him.

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I like the decision.

If they'd put yuki in immediately, they would not have had a clear indicagion of the vcarb progress. The vcarb is an experimental platform to improve the rb21.

Now they know. Lawson did not pull a rabbit out of the hat, so swapping is a clear benefit.

Lawson did 50+ clean Laps in China with an experimental setup with no hope for points. That was his final audition. If you can not show your team you are able to master a corner and just complain, the conclusion is there I guess?

SirBastianVettel
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Henk_v wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:58
The vcarb is an experimental platform to improve the rb21.
That's quite the accusation.

FittingMechanics
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What a knee jerk reaction. Once again. How long until Hadjar gets the seat?

I understand the need for results, but two races is really a slap in the face. At least give the guy a chance for 6-12 races this year and then make a decision.

ali623
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I'm surprised they didn't at least keep him till the end of the upcoming triple-header. Give him a couple of weeks to go away and reflect, and come back to some circuits he knows well like Suzuka and Bahrain - if it's the same story there, then the swap makes sense, but this just seems like a strange decision all round.

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Cs98 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:48
Alexf1 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:45
Sergej wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:26

Well I believe whoever thinks that Max will stay in Red Bull for long is deluding himself. For me it's clear his future is elsewhere.
Well, Benetton '96 situation incoming then. Berger and Alesi were experienced and quite close as teammates against Senna and Prost. But they were nowhere in the Schumacher style Benetton. Shows you pointy car with looser rear is fastest but only for the generational talent drivers.
Except the RB21 looks neither pointy nor loose. Look at Liam’s laps in the car, it’s understeer and lack of commitment that kills the time for him.
I don't get it either. Look at the McLaren, that's a pointy car.

Alexf1
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A car can be driven in many ways, a nervous rear trends to make you more cautious/slower on corner entry which results in less downforce and a different car behaviour. Patrese in '92 active Williams and '93 Benetton are good examples. He just didn't dare to do what Mansell and Schumacher dared on corner entry which has a knock on effect on the rest of the corner. Trust the grip to come and send it on corner entry. Lawson was 30km/h slower in T1 than Max in China. Says enough..

Cs98
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Gillian wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:17
Cs98 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:48
Alexf1 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 09:45


Well, Benetton '96 situation incoming then. Berger and Alesi were experienced and quite close as teammates against Senna and Prost. But they were nowhere in the Schumacher style Benetton. Shows you pointy car with looser rear is fastest but only for the generational talent drivers.
Except the RB21 looks neither pointy nor loose. Look at Liam’s laps in the car, it’s understeer and lack of commitment that kills the time for him.
I don't get it either. Look at the McLaren, that's a pointy car.
It's an old narrative from the last regulations where the RB was very sharp on the front, largely due to its high rake philosophy. Since 2022 this hasn't been the case. Out of all the top teams you'd have to say the RB looks the least responsive on the front, especially in medium and low speed corners. Max still manages to rotate the car with some trickery, that is his secret relative to his teammates in this car. I suspect it's a combination of adding a lot of front wing (and tolerating it in high speed), braking early and prioritising the exit, knowing the limit of grip on the front precisely, and insane consistency.

The real issue here is not the second seat, it's the fact that RB can't produce a balanced car anymore, the second seat is a symptom. Max can drive around the issues better but they are losing competitiveness compared to the other teams. We saw what Max could do in a car that had a lot of downforce and good balance in 2022 and 2023, and Perez was winning races and being a decent driver then because the car had reasonable balance.
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Happy with the change, lets go Yuki. :D

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Rumours of special livery for Japan . Maybe only special racesuits/helmet though idk.

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organic wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 14:19
Rumours of special livery for Japan . Maybe only special racesuits/helmet though idk.
what's to celebrate ?

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Sergej wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 14:25
organic wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 14:19
Rumours of special livery for Japan . Maybe only special racesuits/helmet though idk.
what's to celebrate ?
Thanks to Honda for their years with the team.. 4 WDC + 2 WCC in 6 years (so far) isn't bad :|
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Japanese driver in a Honda-powered car in Japan? :lol: