Concept power units from 2030

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Why not turbo compounding? Lose the complexity and safety issues of the high voltage/current of the current hybrid systems while still retaining a lot of the energy recovery using an exhaust recovery turbine. It wouldn’t even weigh that much or take up much space.

A V10 with a recovery turbine feeding power back to the crankshaft sounds like a fine idea

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mzso wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 13:46
How about something in this vein?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiZbjAuKk4A
I posted that exact video in the other similar thread to this one.

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 7&start=15
Watching F1 since 1986.

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 20:46
well they could have an N/A V10 with an MGU-H
something for everyone
What would be the point (from a technical point of view) of having a V10 with an MGU-H/turbo?

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trinidefender wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 06:16
Why not turbo compounding? Lose the complexity and safety issues of the high voltage/current of the current hybrid systems while still retaining a lot of the energy recovery using an exhaust recovery turbine. It wouldn’t even weigh that much or take up much space.

A V10 with a recovery turbine feeding power back to the crankshaft sounds like a fine idea
Wouldn't that just be inefficient, with no ability to store energy. So no gains by using an electric boost at the right time. And no fixing of the turbo lag.

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mzso wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 21:51
Tommy Cookers wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 20:46
well they could have an N/A V10 with an MGU-H
something for everyone
What would be the point (from a technical point of view) of having a V10 with an MGU-H/turbo?
recovery of energy from the exhaust (without affecting crankshaft power)
though crankshaft power can also be traded for electrical power - and vice versa

recovery via a mechanical route ie 'turbo-compounding' is less versatile and increases PU inertia and gearshift time loss

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
06 Apr 2025, 01:32
mzso wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 21:51
Tommy Cookers wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 20:46
well they could have an N/A V10 with an MGU-H
something for everyone
What would be the point (from a technical point of view) of having a V10 with an MGU-H/turbo?
recovery of energy from the exhaust (without affecting crankshaft power)
though crankshaft power can also be traded for electrical power - and vice versa

recovery via a mechanical route ie 'turbo-compounding' is less versatile and increases PU inertia and gearshift time loss
The point of contention is the V10, if you have turbocharging and H. Seems completely counter intuitive.

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mzso wrote:
06 Apr 2025, 10:29
The point of contention is the V10, if you have turbocharging and H. Seems completely counter intuitive.
I don't 'have turbocharging' ..... that's the point