Mercedes W16

[Vanja #66]

Thanks

I mean it's visible with the naked eye, but we can pixel count it
And if there is a difference, well then there is an issue right?
https://i.ibb.co/tMQ2JDwN/Screenshot-20 ... 101544.png

First time it was kinda funny, now it's just sad... If you got a bone to pick, try looking in the backyard mate

[Quantum]

Which pixels ? The naked resolution of the sensor used to record this image, or your screen pixels that are now in different relationship to that original image .... and conditional on screen resolution.

As noted, it gets into things that have not readily been considered and will change or justify a false view without in depth knowledge.

They're both lifted off the static images Vajna kindly posted.

1:1 from the source, there is differences, I'm not forwarding any narrative to justify anything "false". What I want to address is that section below the green line. You can also lift it from the originally posted image and try it for yourself.

The original images are really simple though, the wing moved (in relation to the car"s primary structure) and quite alot. Theres no magic in imaging to obscure that fact.

I've got no qualms with the fact the wing is moving. They all do. I'm not asserting otherwise.

What is key is the "quite alot". When there is a lower section that closer to the camera that is show a discrepancy (albeit minor), the further up the image the greater that discrepancy. Even 1mm in the box section will make an order of magnitude difference to the wing. Correct?

[Quantum]

Thanks

I mean it's visible with the naked eye, but we can pixel count it
And if there is a difference, well then there is an issue right?
https://i.ibb.co/tMQ2JDwN/Screenshot-20 ... 101544.png

First time it was kinda funny, now it's just sad... If you got a bone to pick, try looking in the backyard mate

It's your photo mate.

I have no bones to pick, just pointing out something I spotted which might have been of interest to you.
Please don't be offended.
If I'm wrong I own it. But if there's mileage to it maybe they're doing something of interest that would benefit the forum.

[SiLo]

The frame of reference does not move, but almost everything we are looking at CAN move in some way.

Which is essential when cutting one part off, ie the rear wing, from the rest of the car and make a deduction solely based on....the rear wing flexing, correct?

No, because we are comparing flex between two states. I really don't understand how else to explain this, it's very simple.

[Quantum]

The frame of reference does not move, but almost everything we are looking at CAN move in some way.

Which is essential when cutting one part off, ie the rear wing, from the rest of the car and make a deduction solely based on....the rear wing flexing, correct?

No, because we are comparing flex between two states. I really don't understand how else to explain this, it's very simple.

Look at the bottom section. I lowered the original photo as it appears people have issue with lines.
So I made a border to emphasise the point. The fin on the right disappears and the fin edge on the left is still visible.


That is lifted 1:1 from the OG photo.

How much of difference is hard to gauge but critically, there is a difference.

[Vanja #66]

It's your photo mate.

I have no bones to pick, just pointing out something I spotted which might have been of interest to you.
Please don't be offended.
If I'm wrong I own it. But if there's mileage to it maybe they're doing something of interest that would benefit the forum.

this is the video segment i used for comparison, you can now make your own

it's an unstable gyro cam and it's a lot of fun aligning every angle properly

[Lasssept]

@AlbertFabrega / MercedesAMGPCF1

[SiLo]

It's your photo mate.

I have no bones to pick, just pointing out something I spotted which might have been of interest to you.
Please don't be offended.
If I'm wrong I own it. But if there's mileage to it maybe they're doing something of interest that would benefit the forum.

this is the video segment i used for comparison, you can now make your own

it's an unstable gyro cam and it's a lot of fun aligning every angle properly

It's a gyrocam? that throws everything out the window then!

[OverheatedTurbo]

https://i.postimg.cc/bw3pwPjQ/imgonline ... ZUe0-F.jpg

@AlbertFabrega / MercedesAMGPCF1

Same wing level. I suspect same big beam wing as well.

[Vanja #66]

It's your photo mate.

I have no bones to pick, just pointing out something I spotted which might have been of interest to you.
Please don't be offended.
If I'm wrong I own it. But if there's mileage to it maybe they're doing something of interest that would benefit the forum.

this is the video segment i used for comparison, you can now make your own

it's an unstable gyro cam and it's a lot of fun aligning every angle properly

It's a gyrocam? that throws everything out the window then!

Not really, but you need to manually align everything and patitently grab 10 screenshots of each angle before you find the perfect match for comparison

[Farnborough]

this is the video segment i used for comparison, you can now make your own

it's an unstable gyro cam and it's a lot of fun aligning every angle properly

It's a gyrocam? that throws everything out the window then!

Not really, but you need to manually align everything and patitently grab 10 screenshots of each angle before you find the perfect match for comparison

Nope ... the critical component to record, onto the flat plane image capture are:- focal length, fixed position & distance from subject ..... none of which change here.

All that has to be done is pick the images that are most relevant, the perspective is NOT changing.

It's important to recognise optical constraints IF it's to be quoted as criticism of the posts about what the wing is doing.

There's nothing wrong here in the image analysis by Vanja ..... but I suspect that the thread will be "modded" if the discussion continues to offer false claims by those that don't understand optical performance and perspective.

[Vanja #66]

It's a gyrocam? that throws everything out the window then!

Not really, but you need to manually align everything and patitently grab 10 screenshots of each angle before you find the perfect match for comparison

Nope ... the critical component to record, onto the flat plane image capture are:- focal length, fixed position & distance from subject ..... none of which change here.

All that has to be done is pick the images that are most relevant, the perspective is NOT changing.

It's important to recognise optical constraints IF it's to be quoted as criticism of the posts about what the wing is doing.

There's nothing wrong here in the image analysis by Vanja ..... but I suspect that the thread will be "modded" if the discussion continues to offer false claims by those that don't understand optical performance and perspective.

Thanks

[hollus]

Just to throw a spanner on the discussion: Are we sure that the camera mount is not flexing?

But yes, all rear wings flex to some extent and this perspective discussion is not relevant to THIS car in particular... feel free to split the discussion to a different thread if you wish.

[SB15]

Not really, but you need to manually align everything and patitently grab 10 screenshots of each angle before you find the perfect match for comparison

Nope ... the critical component to record, onto the flat plane image capture are:- focal length, fixed position & distance from subject ..... none of which change here.

All that has to be done is pick the images that are most relevant, the perspective is NOT changing.

It's important to recognise optical constraints IF it's to be quoted as criticism of the posts about what the wing is doing.

There's nothing wrong here in the image analysis by Vanja ..... but I suspect that the thread will be "modded" if the discussion continues to offer false claims by those that don't understand optical performance and perspective.

Thanks

I agree with the mod, only have discussions about Flexi-Wings outside of this one because this thread is only for the car. If there is a Flexi-Wing thread, it’s already open.

[Lasssept]

@xavigazquez