2025 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, April 11 - 13

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if I didn't miss anything, tire situation for the race should be like this:

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Shouldn't the Mercedes be in a bit of trouble for entering the pitlane too soon? That seems like a serious competitive breech. We can't just give them a fine and call it good (unless the rules say that is sufficient).t
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I wonder whether Mercedes is back at being the best engine in F1 again under the radar.

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As I understand it, the cars were not able to show their potential because of the old asphalt, it no longer has any grip, these cars could have been closer in time to 2019, but in fact they lost 2 seconds in time

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LionKing wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:48
I wonder whether Mercedes is back at being the best engine in F1 again under the radar.
Why would they be? Upgrades are banned.

But still, Ferrari is supposed to have the more powerful engine, but it's by an amount so tiny that the most powerful varies from track to track depending on temperatures and air density. Only Renault is really known to be significantly behind. Honda and Mercedes are thought to be within 5-10 HP of Ferrari on average, sometimes faster.

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bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:52
LionKing wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:48
I wonder whether Mercedes is back at being the best engine in F1 again under the radar.
Why would they be? Upgrades are banned.
Software updates are always allowed and hardware upgrades are allowed under the guise of reliability. Everyone will use the loophole where they can.
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ringo wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 18:25
Alpine is flying. Doohan proving that he's a solid choice for the team.
I expect Colapinto to replace him by midseason
Hammerfist wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 18:37
Yup. Why are they so slow this year?
Maybe they should resurface the track to make the current F1 cars look mega quick just like they did with Suzuka. Now, imagine if the 2005 GP was ran at night, what would Pedro de la Rosa´s record be?! :? Probably not too far from the pole record

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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:59
bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:52
LionKing wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:48
I wonder whether Mercedes is back at being the best engine in F1 again under the radar.
Why would they be? Upgrades are banned.
Software updates are always allowed and hardware upgrades are allowed under the guise of reliability. Everyone will use the loophole where they can.
Exactly.

MB have a new (completely different) exhaust layout/exit/feed into turbo this year, markedly different from the previously used systems on their PU across them and (presumably) customer units.

That's perfectly legal, will incorporate optimization in mapping etc. They are notably potent this year with potential better peak performance in relation to other manufacturers power units.

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I feel like people just don't get it, still. On the first runs in Q3, everyone had used tires except for Russell and Antonelli. These were the gaps:

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This is the real picture of what is going to happen tomorrow because after the first lap on the tire where everything feels "amazing", the tire will now be a "used tire"...
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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 20:13
I feel like people just don't get it, still. On the first runs in Q3, everyone had used tires except for Russell and Antonelli. These were the gaps:

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This is the real picture of what is going to happen tomorrow because after the first lap on the tire where everything feels "amazing", the tire will now be a "used tire"...
may happen, but just to mention it: McLaren's used tires were only one (out-)lap old at that point, used when the red flag came out. Ferrari's and Red Bull's were used for a hot lap before.

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McLaren is 1.1s quicker on "used" tires just fits some people's narrative better.

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Seerix wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 20:23
McLaren is 1.1s quicker on "used" tires just fits some people's narrative better.
Regardless of what happened in qualifying, there's already evidence that Mclaren can drive 1 second quicker on used tires. We saw it in Australia. We will see it tomorrow.
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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 20:27
Seerix wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 20:23
McLaren is 1.1s quicker on "used" tires just fits some people's narrative better.
Regardless of what happened in qualifying, there's already evidence that Mclaren can drive 1 second quicker on used tires. We saw it in Australia. We will see it tomorrow.
I certainly hope so :D

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Downforce777 wrote:
12 Apr 2025, 19:51
As I understand it, the cars were not able to show their potential because of the old asphalt, it no longer has any grip, these cars could have been closer in time to 2019, but in fact they lost 2 seconds in time
That is what we want, most people watching don't know lap times from previous years but do know how good is to have mixed grid.

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With only half a tenth more, Gasly would have been P3. Is this real, or did Gasly just do a god lap?
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