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I'm not sure how. Everyone is gunning for them, that's not internal.
Not following Stella (or you guys who understood what he meant). The 'flex' of the rear wing in non-DRS state, helps reduce drag at 300+ speeds in a straight line by reducing the effective profile as well as the AoA. At the time when 'load' is required (100 kph < speed < 300 kph) the material science used to weave the carbon fibres of the structure ensures that the 'flex' is minimal, thereby not sacrificing load. Why is this not desirable ? It's very much desirable, IMHO.
Simple - they didn't pay attention to rear wings as a 'development item' at all. They thought only the floor is worth investing. Haven't we seen how they always had the smallest 'pool' of different wings across teams for 2022, 2023 and when it got to 2024, realized their folly and started using scissors in the garage to create new lowDF wings ?
Whether or not there are technical reasons for any other team to not have a flexing wing, Mclaren have one and it's being reined it, as is typical for excessively flexing wings. The spirit of the regulations is to limit movable aerodynamic devices and over time, the FIA continues to upgrade the test to enforce that spirit. So I don't understand the new narrative cooked up by Andrea that stiff wings have advantages. This is not a counterargument. Stella doesn't have any point. Stiff wings have never been against the rules and however they may be advantageous is irrelevant. Meanwhile, flexible wings have always been viewed negatively. Stella said it doesn't affect Mclaren in spain. So what are we really talking about?mwillems wrote: ↑18 Apr 2025, 07:55They didn't forget the wings. If there was time in it, they'd bring it, is the crux of Stella's point. In a nicely worded way Stella diffused the nonsense that RB are feeding the media and the media run with.
The nonsense being that RB don't push the limits of flexing because they have too much respect for the rules and other teams are naughty wing flexers and should be punished
The wing conversations are a Media and PR battle trying to influence the FIAs approach.
There are technical reasons why RB don't bring it to the car. Like any team they will push boundaries anywhere they think they can. Since they can't bring it to the car they instead try and attack those that can. As Stella pointed out, they are well within the rules and after the FIA clamped down further on rear wing testing, Mclaren changed precisely nothing. And as Lando said more bluntly, instead of whining about others, focus on doing a better job with your car.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-f ... n-red-bull“In our case, we want to shed a little bit of drag and a little bit of load, but as long as you do it within the regulations, and that’s the case, then it’s more of a technical point rather than a legality point, if that makes sense.
The rear wings aren't being reined in any more yet.AR3-GP wrote: ↑18 Apr 2025, 08:05Whether or not there are technical reasons for any other team to not have a flexing wing, Mclaren have one and it's being reined it, as is typical for excessively flexing wings. The spirit of the regulations is to limit movable aerodynamic devices and over time, the FIA continues to upgrade the test to enforce that spirit. So I don't understand the new narrative cooked up by Andrea that stiff wings have advantages. This is not a counterargument. Stella doesn't have any point. Stiff wings have never been against the rules and however they may be advantageous is irrelevant. Meanwhile, flexible wings have always been viewed negatively. Stella said it doesn't affect Mclaren in spain. So what are we really talking about?mwillems wrote: ↑18 Apr 2025, 07:55They didn't forget the wings. If there was time in it, they'd bring it, is the crux of Stella's point. In a nicely worded way Stella diffused the nonsense that RB are feeding the media and the media run with.
The nonsense being that RB don't push the limits of flexing because they have too much respect for the rules and other teams are naughty wing flexers and should be punished
The wing conversations are a Media and PR battle trying to influence the FIAs approach.
There are technical reasons why RB don't bring it to the car. Like any team they will push boundaries anywhere they think they can. Since they can't bring it to the car they instead try and attack those that can. As Stella pointed out, they are well within the rules and after the FIA clamped down further on rear wing testing, Mclaren changed precisely nothing. And as Lando said more bluntly, instead of whining about others, focus on doing a better job with your car.
The truth? It will also cost some laptime, as Stella clearly said why in the same interview
https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-f ... n-red-bull“In our case, we want to shed a little bit of drag and a little bit of load, but as long as you do it within the regulations, and that’s the case, then it’s more of a technical point rather than a legality point, if that makes sense.
So Mclaren will be shedding a little bit less drag from Spain onwards and a little bit less load. So they will have to study the impact of increasing the drag and losing the dynamic balancing effect of the excessively mobile front wing. I don't understand how anyone can say it won't affect anything. If it didn't matter, they wouldn't be doing it.
It didnt happen either in 2022 or 2023 when Red Bull carried all the advantages from overspending in 2021, or having an illegal asymmetrical braking and a front bib that could change car height during parc ferme. These championships have an big questionmark.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑18 Apr 2025, 12:39It's interesting to see the amount of FIA lobbying this year. Did it happen in 2023?
