2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[-wkst-]

We shouldn't mix up things. Cowell never said that. The story that the Silverstone wind tunnel gives them different numbers than the Mercedes one is a story from Motorsport Italy, from one of of the most unserious journalists in F1, Franco Nugnes.

That's what Cowell said in reality in his media round:

"He is of course, though, pushing for us to improve the way we operate in the tunnel, the way we operate with CFD, the way we operate with lap simulations - so pretty much everything Adrian's got thoughts on how to improve.

Also Krack said that a few times. AMR is in a process of learning how to use their new tools, how to set them up in the best way, how to get the data they need.

Blaming the Mercedes tunnel is laughable, they are regularly on the podium (1 tenth away from pole). They will win races with this car. Everything regarding "Mercedes is sabotaging AMR" should be deleted by the Admins anyway ASAP. Claiming such BS is only legally relevant for the Mercedes camp...


Yesterday was a good example of why their simulations are not at a top level yet.

They wasted 3 sets of new softs for ALO in Q1, although his pace was up there with every other non top4 team.

1:28.3 was his Q2 time with a used set, 1:28.5 in Q1 with a new set.

The best time from a non top4 team in the whole Q was 1:28.0.

The whole field outside the top4 was very close, with track evolution and new tyres in mind I don't see a reason why ALO shouldn't find this 3 tenths. The race today is another story, but Q pace is not that horrible.

[RedNEO]

We shouldn't mix up things. Cowell never said that. The story that the Silverstone wind tunnel gives them different numbers than the Mercedes one is a story from Motorsport Italy, from one of of the most unserious journalists in F1, Franco Nugnes.

That's what Cowell said in reality in his media round:

"He is of course, though, pushing for us to improve the way we operate in the tunnel, the way we operate with CFD, the way we operate with lap simulations - so pretty much everything Adrian's got thoughts on how to improve.

Also Krack said that a few times. AMR is in a process of learning how to use their new tools, how to set them up in the best way, how to get the data they need.

Blaming the Mercedes tunnel is laughable, they are regularly on the podium (1 tenth away from pole). They will win races with this car. Everything regarding "Mercedes is sabotaging AMR" should be deleted by the Admins anyway ASAP. Claiming such BS is only legally relevant for the Mercedes camp...


Yesterday was a good example of why their simulations are not at a top level yet.

They wasted 3 sets of new softs for ALO in Q1, although his pace was up there with every other non top4 team.

1:28.3 was his Q2 time with a used set, 1:28.5 in Q1 with a new set.

The best time from a non top4 team in the whole Q was 1:28.0.

The whole field outside the top4 was very close, with track evolution and new tyres in mind I don't see a reason why ALO shouldn't find this 3 tenths. The race today is another story, but Q pace is not that horrible.

You’re delusional if you think AM should outqualify a Ferrari to get into the top ten which is the position Hamilton was in (10th) in Q2. It’s simply not happening. I don’t know why you keep imagining this performance that isnt there based on nothing whatsoever.

As for your other point about the WT it’s been widely reported by various sites that AM put the 2025 car into tunnel because the car had found completely different numbers. Stop with this false narrative that with all this they somehow still have a Q3 car which is absolutely laughable.

Even Aston Martin, which is known to have heavily committed resources to the future rules set, revealed in Saudi Arabia that it was now running its 2025 car in its brand-new windtunnel so it can try to work out what has gone wrong with its design and calibrate its new tools ahead of the rules shift.

The Race^

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/will ... ment-step/

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

What’s emerging from this week, is that Aston is having a question mark on the new wind tunnel for 2026 ? It’s a hit or miss, it could pay off or not. They have the wide pool of talents, but the tunnel seems to be the main focus for the team now.

I hope they manage to test the upcoming upgrade in the new tunnel.

The question no one knows is whether it is Aston's wind tunnel that is signfiicantly miscalibrated or Mercedes'.

Of courses they know!!You think they can design and build a wind tunnel with the most modern sensors and tools,but they don't know how to calibrate? Don't be silly man...

[RedNEO]

What’s emerging from this week, is that Aston is having a question mark on the new wind tunnel for 2026 ? It’s a hit or miss, it could pay off or not. They have the wide pool of talents, but the tunnel seems to be the main focus for the team now.

I hope they manage to test the upcoming upgrade in the new tunnel.

The question no one knows is whether it is Aston's wind tunnel that is signfiicantly miscalibrated or Mercedes'.

Of courses they know!!You think they can design and build a wind tunnel with the most modern sensors and tools,but they don't know how to calibrate? Don't be silly man...

The people who built the WT are not the same people who use the WT. And yes I do think they have trouble using their tools since it’s being reported and coming from Cowel himself that Newey is having to teach them how to use the tools effectively. The results should speak for themselves… Merc = 2 cars in the top 10 and 1 tenth away from pole AM= 1 car out in Q1 1 car out in Q2. Both used the Merc WT

[RedNEO]

Guys, this is not good enough. We all agree the AMR 24 wasn't good enough, and yet it was 4 tenths better than the AMR 25. That's with a year's worth of development on top, it's super disappointing...

Thank you for providing this image. It’s should wake up people to the extent of AM’s downfall. Even a team like Williams who have completely switched off development for 2025 is quite a bit ahead. They have good reason to switch off development since they understood how to make a fast car. AM on the other hand have been going backwards since 2023. For them it is vital to establish a baseline with the first upgrade in the new WT.

[Sedaxel]

We shouldn't mix up things. Cowell never said that. The story that the Silverstone wind tunnel gives them different numbers than the Mercedes one is a story from Motorsport Italy, from one of of the most unserious journalists in F1, Franco Nugnes.

That's what Cowell said in reality in his media round:

"He is of course, though, pushing for us to improve the way we operate in the tunnel, the way we operate with CFD, the way we operate with lap simulations - so pretty much everything Adrian's got thoughts on how to improve.

Also Krack said that a few times. AMR is in a process of learning how to use their new tools, how to set them up in the best way, how to get the data they need.

Blaming the Mercedes tunnel is laughable, they are regularly on the podium (1 tenth away from pole). They will win races with this car. Everything regarding "Mercedes is sabotaging AMR" should be deleted by the Admins anyway ASAP. Claiming such BS is only legally relevant for the Mercedes camp...


Yesterday was a good example of why their simulations are not at a top level yet.

They wasted 3 sets of new softs for ALO in Q1, although his pace was up there with every other non top4 team.

1:28.3 was his Q2 time with a used set, 1:28.5 in Q1 with a new set.

The best time from a non top4 team in the whole Q was 1:28.0.

The whole field outside the top4 was very close, with track evolution and new tyres in mind I don't see a reason why ALO shouldn't find this 3 tenths. The race today is another story, but Q pace is not that horrible.

So, basically, when Alonso says AM is arguably the last car right now, you do think he's lying. Good.

In my opinion, AM is the last car right now. And I think Alonso manages to put it 13rd because he's just a master driver. We all know that you think Alo is old and makes a lot of mistakes (you said it once and again), and that's fine. Each one has his opinions. And I suspect my opinion is getting supported each time Alo goes to Q2 with this car... While yours, in the other hand... Well, nevermind. You can, and will, continue saying he's ready to retire.

[Rikhart]

This is unnaceptable for a team with such big ambitions:

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1068222/1 ... -f1-record

[RedNEO]

We shouldn't mix up things. Cowell never said that. The story that the Silverstone wind tunnel gives them different numbers than the Mercedes one is a story from Motorsport Italy, from one of of the most unserious journalists in F1, Franco Nugnes.

That's what Cowell said in reality in his media round:

"He is of course, though, pushing for us to improve the way we operate in the tunnel, the way we operate with CFD, the way we operate with lap simulations - so pretty much everything Adrian's got thoughts on how to improve.

Also Krack said that a few times. AMR is in a process of learning how to use their new tools, how to set them up in the best way, how to get the data they need.

Blaming the Mercedes tunnel is laughable, they are regularly on the podium (1 tenth away from pole). They will win races with this car. Everything regarding "Mercedes is sabotaging AMR" should be deleted by the Admins anyway ASAP. Claiming such BS is only legally relevant for the Mercedes camp...


Yesterday was a good example of why their simulations are not at a top level yet.

They wasted 3 sets of new softs for ALO in Q1, although his pace was up there with every other non top4 team.

1:28.3 was his Q2 time with a used set, 1:28.5 in Q1 with a new set.

The best time from a non top4 team in the whole Q was 1:28.0.

The whole field outside the top4 was very close, with track evolution and new tyres in mind I don't see a reason why ALO shouldn't find this 3 tenths. The race today is another story, but Q pace is not that horrible.

So, basically, when Alonso says AM is arguably the last car right now, you do think he's lying. Good.

In my opinion, AM is the last car right now. And I think Alonso manages to put it 13rd because he's just a master driver. We all know that you think Alo is old and makes a lot of mistakes (you said it once and again), and that's fine. Each one has his opinions. And I suspect my opinion is getting supported each time Alo goes to Q2 with this car... While yours, in the other hand... Well, nevermind. You can, and will, continue saying he's ready to retire.

Yup! Ever since Newey picked Alonso and AM over everyone else including Red Bull I noticed these ageist comments. It’s going to be great to see Alonso driving a Newey car is all I’ll say

[Tommy Cookers]

The question no one knows is whether it is Aston's wind tunnel that is signfiicantly miscalibrated or Mercedes'.

Of courses they know!!You think they can design and build a wind tunnel with the most modern sensors and tools,but they don't know how to calibrate? Don't be silly man...

it can reasonably be said that there's no such thing as a wind tunnel calibration
calibration uses a 'known' ' model' - but how well do we (AM or Mercedes) know these characteristics ?

having no confidentiality or secrecy obligations to Jaguar F1 I can say .....
their rear wing was downforcing fine at 13 deg AoA in the WT but stalled at 13 deg on the car

[nmarques71]

Hi,

Well, Andy Cowell said this:

After recent difficult races, Cowell addressed Aston Martin’s struggles and their path forward, ahead of the Saudi Arabian GP. “I guess the car we’re racing at the moment was created away from our own wind tunnel,” he said.

“We are learning a lot from the measurements that we can take at the track, which is the Third World for the aerodynamicists, but we’ve got a 2025 model in our wind tunnel, the Silverstone, and the CFD data. We’re spending a lot of time looking into the correlation between the track world, wind tunnel and CFD to understand the differences that we see there.”

“And listening to the drivers and looking at the data of what the car is doing to try and piece all that together and understand what are the characteristics that we should continue to improve or start improving in order to make sure that the stopwatch stops sooner.”

When asked if the team’s current car serves as a laboratory for their new wind tunnel, Cowell agreed, saying, “Yes, I think for a group of engineers it’s important that you understand the tools that you’ve got.”

“You understand the simulations and the results from experiments that you do at the home base. And the objective with any experiment is that you mimic as best as possible the track environment.”

“And that’s what we’re trying to do. It’s trying to come up with methods and tools that enable us to create a racing car that when you put it on the track, it behaves exactly as you’d like it to.”


And from the press conference:

Q: You mentioned new tools. The new wind tunnel has been on stream for nigh on a month. When are we going to start to see the first fruits of its labour?

AC: Since the Melbourne weekend, the wind tunnel’s been in use. It’s being used for both 2026 aero development and 2025 aero development. We’ve transitioned to this tunnel, and there’s hardware coming through that we’ll see at the circuit in the coming races. People often talk about how to tell the time when you’ve got two watches – how do you tell the aero load when development work has been done in one wind tunnel and then you swap across to the next? They’ll never tell you exactly the same. But we are enjoying the new wind tunnel. It's opened our eyes to a few characteristics. But then you’ve got to do the work. If you’ve got a new test facility that gives you a clearer view, a more representative view, you’ve got to then do aero development work – you’ve go to change shapes, make parts, understand, and then make full-size components to bring to the circuit and measure in this complex environment. We’re in that process, enjoying the new tool, and look forward to making a faster race car with it.

[Alo_Fan]

https://iili.io/3Ex8oiB.jpg

Guys, this is not good enough. We all agree the AMR 24 wasn't good enough, and yet it was 4 tenths better than the AMR 25. That's with a year's worth of development on top, it's super disappointing...

Thank you for providing this image. It’s should wake up people to the extent of AM’s downfall. Even a team like Williams who have completely switched off development for 2025 is quite a bit ahead. They have good reason to switch off development since they understood how to make a fast car. AM on the other hand have been going backwards since 2023. For them it is vital to establish a baseline with the first upgrade in the new WT.

Yeah, it’s just not good enough. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes Cowell & Newey a year—or even two—to fully restructure the team, reallocate staff in the factory and get everything running smoothly. Sadly, that timeline is probably too late for Alonso. I reckon he’ll move into a support role—like Pedro de la Rosa—and we’ll see someone else fighting for the WDC. At least I hope Alonso can snag a win or two next season. As for this year… brace yourself, it’s going to be a long watch.

[-wkst-]

We shouldn't mix up things. Cowell never said that. The story that the Silverstone wind tunnel gives them different numbers than the Mercedes one is a story from Motorsport Italy, from one of of the most unserious journalists in F1, Franco Nugnes.

That's what Cowell said in reality in his media round:

"He is of course, though, pushing for us to improve the way we operate in the tunnel, the way we operate with CFD, the way we operate with lap simulations - so pretty much everything Adrian's got thoughts on how to improve.

Also Krack said that a few times. AMR is in a process of learning how to use their new tools, how to set them up in the best way, how to get the data they need.

Blaming the Mercedes tunnel is laughable, they are regularly on the podium (1 tenth away from pole). They will win races with this car. Everything regarding "Mercedes is sabotaging AMR" should be deleted by the Admins anyway ASAP. Claiming such BS is only legally relevant for the Mercedes camp...


Yesterday was a good example of why their simulations are not at a top level yet.

They wasted 3 sets of new softs for ALO in Q1, although his pace was up there with every other non top4 team.

1:28.3 was his Q2 time with a used set, 1:28.5 in Q1 with a new set.

The best time from a non top4 team in the whole Q was 1:28.0.

The whole field outside the top4 was very close, with track evolution and new tyres in mind I don't see a reason why ALO shouldn't find this 3 tenths. The race today is another story, but Q pace is not that horrible.

So, basically, when Alonso says AM is arguably the last car right now, you do think he's lying. Good.

In my opinion, AM is the last car right now. And I think Alonso manages to put it 13rd because he's just a master driver. We all know that you think Alo is old and makes a lot of mistakes (you said it once and again), and that's fine. Each one has his opinions. And I suspect my opinion is getting supported each time Alo goes to Q2 with this car... While yours, in the other hand... Well, nevermind. You can, and will, continue saying he's ready to retire.

First of all the best thing is to look at the numbers. Even STR outqualified both Saubers, so hard to argue that they are last. ALO outqualified both Haas, STR one, also hard to say that they are 9th. Furthermore it wasn’t the case yesterday that STR was way slower than ALO, they were within 2 tenths.

It’s ok that ALO thinks that they are last (maybe he speaks about race trim). It’s also ok to say that ALO is the only member of AMR who makes such comments.

The midfield is very close, within a few tenths, as everyone in the paddock says. Having no new tyres in Q2 is the death sentence in such a case and distorts the picture.

[RedNEO]

We shouldn't mix up things. Cowell never said that. The story that the Silverstone wind tunnel gives them different numbers than the Mercedes one is a story from Motorsport Italy, from one of of the most unserious journalists in F1, Franco Nugnes.

That's what Cowell said in reality in his media round:



Also Krack said that a few times. AMR is in a process of learning how to use their new tools, how to set them up in the best way, how to get the data they need.

Blaming the Mercedes tunnel is laughable, they are regularly on the podium (1 tenth away from pole). They will win races with this car. Everything regarding "Mercedes is sabotaging AMR" should be deleted by the Admins anyway ASAP. Claiming such BS is only legally relevant for the Mercedes camp...


Yesterday was a good example of why their simulations are not at a top level yet.

They wasted 3 sets of new softs for ALO in Q1, although his pace was up there with every other non top4 team.

1:28.3 was his Q2 time with a used set, 1:28.5 in Q1 with a new set.

The best time from a non top4 team in the whole Q was 1:28.0.

The whole field outside the top4 was very close, with track evolution and new tyres in mind I don't see a reason why ALO shouldn't find this 3 tenths. The race today is another story, but Q pace is not that horrible.

So, basically, when Alonso says AM is arguably the last car right now, you do think he's lying. Good.

In my opinion, AM is the last car right now. And I think Alonso manages to put it 13rd because he's just a master driver. We all know that you think Alo is old and makes a lot of mistakes (you said it once and again), and that's fine. Each one has his opinions. And I suspect my opinion is getting supported each time Alo goes to Q2 with this car... While yours, in the other hand... Well, nevermind. You can, and will, continue saying he's ready to retire.

First of all the best thing is to look at the numbers. Even STR outqualified both Saubers, so hard to argue that they are last. ALO outqualified both Haas, STR one, also hard to say that they are 9th. Furthermore it wasn’t the case yesterday that STR was way slower than ALO, they were within 2 tenths.

It’s ok that ALO thinks that they are last (maybe he speaks about race trim). It’s also ok to say that ALO is the only member of AMR who makes such comments.

The midfield is very close, within a few tenths, as everyone in the paddock says. Having no new tyres in Q2 is the death sentence in such a case and distorts the picture.

They are the slowest! They are the only team who used three sets (all there new tyres) to get through Q1 and one of them still didnt. No other team did that because nobody else is that slow. Yeesh

[RedNEO]

https://iili.io/3Ex8oiB.jpg

Guys, this is not good enough. We all agree the AMR 24 wasn't good enough, and yet it was 4 tenths better than the AMR 25. That's with a year's worth of development on top, it's super disappointing...

Thank you for providing this image. It’s should wake up people to the extent of AM’s downfall. Even a team like Williams who have completely switched off development for 2025 is quite a bit ahead. They have good reason to switch off development since they understood how to make a fast car. AM on the other hand have been going backwards since 2023. For them it is vital to establish a baseline with the first upgrade in the new WT.

Yeah, it’s just not good enough. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes Cowell & Newey a year—or even two—to fully restructure the team, reallocate staff in the factory and get everything running smoothly. Sadly, that timeline is probably too late for Alonso. I reckon he’ll move into a support role—like Pedro de la Rosa—and we’ll see someone else fighting for the WDC. At least I hope Alonso can snag a win or two next season. As for this year… brace yourself, it’s going to be a long watch.

The one blessing is they are not finding this out in 2026 preseason testing otherwise the fate you suggested would be set in stone. Let’s see what the next update brings on the floor.

[hollus]

Please, learn to live with each other’s opinions and avoid spamming.