2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Paa]

The issue is not the peak downforce of the car, after T1-T2 the car is matched basically totally matched with Max.

But is this a good comparison? As Max/Red Bull also lacks peak downforce compared to McLaren. Max also lost like ~2 tenths to Piastri after T2 if I remember correctly.
The goal should be McLaren and not Red Bull.

[deadhead]

“ I’m disappointed because we’re not here to be three-tenths off pole, and I feel like we didn’t manage to put everything together this weekend.”

Excuse me, what?

Go hire Max Verstappen maybe

[ScuderiaLeo]

You could put peak Senna in this car and it still wouldn't have a chance for pole.

[venkyhere]

The SF-25 is a fundamentally solid car that is clearly consistent and never a complete boat, it’s just not good enough.

In theory it should be faster, but it just can’t get into the setup window it was designed for. This is due to the alterations to the rear suspension and gearbox casing that were required to move the cockpit back 25mm compared to the SF-24.

If they can fix the ride height issue it will be a top car. For now it just can’t get there.

What's the point of 'in theory it should be faster, but can't get into setup window, because of flaws with rear susp and garbox casing' ?

The design team cannot 'hide' behind such meaningless excuses. That's like a heart surgeon claiming "operation success, but patient died"

[deadhead]

You could put peak Senna in this car and it still wouldn't have a chance for pole.

I know he is making no sense unless he means the race team didn’t put everything together?

[ScuderiaLeo]

I know he is making no sense unless he means the race team didn’t put everything together?

He's just protecting the team by being intentionally vague... as always.

We don't know what the atmosphere inside Ferrari is like but maybe Vasseur needs to put more public pressure on them. When Red Bull do poorly they verbally point fingers at themselves then pick themselves back up. Ferrari never places blame on anyone and never makes progress.

This isn't just an issue with Vasseur however, Binotto had the same mentality of not wanting to blame anyone. It's a much deeper problem than just one TP or person.

Anyway, Italian media are defending the drivers and are very unhappy with Vasseur right now. I wonder if we'll get any interesting leaks after this weekend.

[ringo]

Lewis is underperforming last few years, does he have sports consultants to tell him maybe is better to finish career?

It's sad to see him ruining his legacy, keep doing this just, he just feed his haters that will repeat like parrots : "you see it was just car" , "he is average driver" etc..
He dont deserve this ending after a brilliant career.

I doubt he gives a sh** about the haters to be honest

Yes, but wouldn't it be better if he retired at the top?

He is doing what he loves, so it doesn't really matter what any else thinks. I think it's a testament do drive until you are no longer fast enough. Not many drivers get that luxury. Normally their contracts just aren't renewed or family responsibilities kick in.
Lewis reduced performance is also relative. He's still better than half the field over a season. He's just 7 points behind Charles. Won a race already. There's also room for him to improve yet. If he was on top of the car and still slow it would be conclusive that he doesn't have it anymore. But after seeing Norris smash his car up, I do see why Lewis doesn't want to go to the edge if he knows the car has issues.
I would say definitely retire after 2027 if 2026 car is great and he's massively slower than Charles and cannot get Ferrari a championship. But it's not time to panic yet.

As for the car vs RB21. RB21 has plenty of downforce. It doesn't lack load by any means. Watching Max's onboard, Piastri's and Charles will show this in the highspeed and also under braking. The RB isn't sliding around or understeering like the Ferrari. It's planted and neutral. You can even hear the car skipping on the ground without any bouncing. It's still a top car, the team just had setup issues these last few races.

[Jdn1327]

Moving the cockpit 25mm back was absolutely stupid in hindsight. The redesigned gearbox casing has cost Ferrari so incredibly dearly. They really need to fix it so the car can run like intended.

Probably the idea of the goat...Lewis hamilton...the goatest goat to have ever goated. He's really ruined this car.

[dialtone]

Moving the cockpit 25mm back was absolutely stupid in hindsight. The redesigned gearbox casing has cost Ferrari so incredibly dearly. They really need to fix it so the car can run like intended.

Probably the idea of the goat...Lewis hamilton...the goatest goat to have ever goated. He's really ruined this car.

Can we stop the nonsense?

[evered7]

And fall behind on 2026? At some point, there will be no point. And you might spend the whole year looking for answers that you never find.

Also, never fall for PR speak.

Red Bull fought till last race in 2021 and came with a great car concept for 2022 which gave them 3 more WDC.

Don't give me this BS about focus.

Also Ferrari wasted 2021 to focus on 2022. How did that go exactly?

Red Bull were a well oiled machine. Ferrari, less so…split focus just increases the chances of dual failure.

Also, Ferrari were good in 2022…until the TD.

Sometimes you just have to accept defeat and move on. This is professional sport, not a school project.

So a drinks company can do better cars than a racing car manufacturer? Time for Ferrari to sell pasta or gelato instead.

If only Ferrari treated it as a professional sport, they would be more serious.

They keep saying on track behaviour matches simulator. Surely they weren't aiming to be 3 tenths down all season.

You change the car completely and will now leave it astray without understanding what went wrong or attempt to fix it?

What chances are that they'll get the next regulations right? Haven't done for 2 decades now.

[ringo]

The problem is they're isolated from everyone. So knowledge transfer seems limited which hinders advancement.
I do not think they're going to change unless they have a Ferrari base in the UK with maybe 33% of the staff there.

[woocasz]

https://twitter.com/F1BigData/status/19 ... 0868016378

+0.2s in just only 2 corners?!?! outrageous
S2 and S3 was on par with Mclaren and RB, Charles is doing miracles in this pos of a car...

[bananapeel23]

The SF-25 is a fundamentally solid car that is clearly consistent and never a complete boat, it’s just not good enough.

In theory it should be faster, but it just can’t get into the setup window it was designed for. This is due to the alterations to the rear suspension and gearbox casing that were required to move the cockpit back 25mm compared to the SF-24.

If they can fix the ride height issue it will be a top car. For now it just can’t get there.

What's the point of 'in theory it should be faster, but can't get into setup window, because of flaws with rear susp and garbox casing' ?

The design team cannot 'hide' behind such meaningless excuses. That's like a heart surgeon claiming "operation success, but patient died"

I agree that it doesn’t make the car better, but it means that the potential is there if they manage to fix the suspension. It is aerodynamically sound but mechanically flawed.

This means they don’t really need to claw back an aero deficit, just a mechanical one. In theory they would be right at the front practically overnight if they can fix the ride height issue.

[Emag]

So basically, in theory, if they just made the car better they would have been on pole here last night. These "limitations" are quickly turning into excuses, when the real reason for them not being where they should have been is the fact that they haven't done a good enough job with this car. Everybody needs to run with some sort of limitation, you can't have a perfect car because there is no such thing as perfect. It's just a matter of who gets closer to that ideal level.

Mercedes and RedBull both acknowledge McLaren's advantages, but they've managed to put themselves right into the window when it matters. It's disappointing because I expected more from Ferrari after the charge in the second half of the season last year. They showed really good development pace in fixing and improving the SF24, while having room for growth mechanically going into 2025. They shouldn't have started the season at a worse relative level than they ended 2024.

[f1isgood]

I feel so bad for Leclerc. He does the most with what he has

The biggest difference between his career and Verstappen's is that Red Bull actually gave Max a good car in his 7th year and continued it for 2 more years. This is Leclerc's 8th year in F1, and barring a handful of races, he hasn't been given a car to fight consistently at the front.