2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

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+0.2s in just only 2 corners?!?! outrageous
S2 and S3 was on par with Mclaren and RB, Charles is doing miracles in this pos of a car...

Leclerc took massive risks in quali yesterday, trying to squeeze everything from the car like Max. He only made a very small mistake in one corner which was worth around 0.05s compared to his previous best.

[deadhead]

I feel so bad for Leclerc. He does the most with what he has

The biggest difference between his career and Verstappen's is that Red Bull actually gave Max a good car in his 7th year and continued it for 2 more years. This is Leclerc's 8th year in F1, and barring a handful of races, he hasn't been given a car to fight consistently at the front.

True and the chances of him getting a car that’s is even on par with the fastest car out there are pretty slim at this point, but at least he got to fulfill his dream of driving for Ferrari and most importantly, winning at Monza and of course Monaco.

[Autobahn303]

Why is it so hard for a manufacturer like Ferrari with all the resources they have at their disposal to build a competitive car?

[ScuderiaLeo]

I'm equally as frustrated about Ferrari's situation, but it's not as if Leclerc is retiring next season... and Russell is in a similar position of not being able to fight for the WDC. In fact I'd say Russell is in a worse position as his long-term role in Mercedes isn't as secure as Leclerc's in Ferrari.

If in two years Ferrari is still terrible then I'm sure Leclerc would start looking elsewhere. But with new regulations incoming it's pointless. At least see how the teams compare in 2026 first.

[Fluido]

I think it's a testament do drive until you are no longer fast enough.

He hasn't been fast enough last few years compared to his teammates. I don't understand why people don't want to accept that. You cant compete with young lions at that age.

I would even say he already lost some agresion in 2021.
This is not Lewis from 2007 any more.

[IntrinsicVoid]

If next year they are on the same boat then really denying Newey’s requests would been clear mistake. Yes those were outrageous but their vanity will lose them Leclerc.

[mstar]

IMO the issue is the combo of the car DNA/Charles. Hear me out before you shoot me down.

Charles incredible unique driving style masks issues with the ferrari cars to reach the top. So the development / R&D is all around how charles can use his driving style to get laptime. This means the other driver HAS TO either drive like charles OR the car takes a complete u-turn in years of car DNA/philosophy and be more neutral for most drivers to drive (not going to happen). Therefore, the direction where they develop means charles will get better as the car's DNA seems to be in that direction. I am not sure how good the race engineers are in terms of communicating the race track technically but there seems to be a disconnect from the design team and race track performance (in lewis's side). So maybe the solution to bring both drivers to the same level would be to start taking Lewis's direction of how the car needs to get better? As if the car is better for lewis, charles will naturally follow. If they keep going down how charles can handle the car then i am afraid Lewis will fall further and further away.

This is Fred's/Loic dilemma now. Do they try to get the car towards Lewis style or keep their development plan as it is, which will mean Charles will always be ahead and lewis be always P6-p10

[f1isgood]

I'm equally as frustrated about Ferrari's situation, but it's not as if Leclerc is retiring next season... and Russell is in a similar position of not being able to fight for the WDC. In fact I'd say Russell is in a worse position as his long-term role in Mercedes isn't as secure as Leclerc's in Ferrari.

If in two years Ferrari is still terrible then I'm sure Leclerc would start looking elsewhere. But with new regulations incoming it's pointless. At least see how the teams compare in 2026 first.

This is a never ending cycle. Ferrari have failed with Leclerc but he's so Ferrari pilled he will stay. Respect the loyalty bu t the lack of success is telling.

[f1isgood]

IMO the issue is the combo of the car DNA/Charles. Hear me out before you shoot me down.

Charles incredible unique driving style masks issues with the ferrari cars to reach the top. So the development / R&D is all around how charles can use his driving style to get laptime. This means the other driver HAS TO either drive like charles OR the car takes a complete u-turn in years of car DNA/philosophy and be more neutral for most drivers to drive (not going to happen). Therefore, the direction where they develop means charles will get better as the car's DNA seems to be in that direction. I am not sure how good the race engineers are in terms of communicating the race track technically but there seems to be a disconnect from the design team and race track performance (in lewis's side). So maybe the solution to bring both drivers to the same level would be to start taking Lewis's direction of how the car needs to get better? As if the car is better for lewis, charles will naturally follow. If they keep going down how charles can handle the car then i am afraid Lewis will fall further and further away.

The car is what it is. Few drivers can get the best out of it. The car is not good enough. Has nothing to do with the drivers. There's no direction etc here.

[mstar]

I'm equally as frustrated about Ferrari's situation, but it's not as if Leclerc is retiring next season... and Russell is in a similar position of not being able to fight for the WDC. In fact I'd say Russell is in a worse position as his long-term role in Mercedes isn't as secure as Leclerc's in Ferrari.

If in two years Ferrari is still terrible then I'm sure Leclerc would start looking elsewhere. But with new regulations incoming it's pointless. At least see how the teams compare in 2026 first.

This is a never ending cycle. Ferrari have failed with Leclerc but he's so Ferrari pilled he will stay. Respect the loyalty bu t the lack of success is telling.

IMO Charles is in danger being like a modern day Jean Alesi. He needs to jump ship to save his career. His heart is red and it will break his heart but lets be honest he won't win a WDC here. There was rumours he talked to other teams before he signed but he didn't give them much attention (i believe it was Mclaren and Merc).

If Max leaves RB he should prioritise RB. Or any seat 2026+ if its a RB/Merc or Aston.

[mstar]

IMO the issue is the combo of the car DNA/Charles. Hear me out before you shoot me down.

Charles incredible unique driving style masks issues with the ferrari cars to reach the top. So the development / R&D is all around how charles can use his driving style to get laptime. This means the other driver HAS TO either drive like charles OR the car takes a complete u-turn in years of car DNA/philosophy and be more neutral for most drivers to drive (not going to happen). Therefore, the direction where they develop means charles will get better as the car's DNA seems to be in that direction. I am not sure how good the race engineers are in terms of communicating the race track technically but there seems to be a disconnect from the design team and race track performance (in lewis's side). So maybe the solution to bring both drivers to the same level would be to start taking Lewis's direction of how the car needs to get better? As if the car is better for lewis, charles will naturally follow. If they keep going down how charles can handle the car then i am afraid Lewis will fall further and further away.

The car is what it is. Few drivers can get the best out of it. The car is not good enough. Has nothing to do with the drivers. There's no direction etc here.

I am not blaming the drivers. I am saying Look at how charles drives the car, he can handle the SF traits -as most cars since he came to Ferrari NEVER had a stable rear axle. Its very unique charles can handle it. The car is not good enough i agree but i am saying they need to follow a direction to stop the DNA of the car that only 1 driver can extract laptime. Its been to many years charles can drive around and get a laptime from a car, and the car still has the inherent issues and we keep going into next year without them being addressed.

[Emag]

I agree about Charles considering jumping ship, but he should only do so if Ferrari continues like this into the new regs next year. Only then he should see to evaluate his options, because it’s too risky to move right now.

It would be a real shame if a driver of his talent and caliber doesn’t win at least one title in his career. I think him and Max are really close in terms of skill/talent and a step above the current grid. The only differentiator is that Max has enjoyed the privilege of some really dominant/competitive cars in his career whereas Charles has not.

[mstar]

I agree about Charles considering jumping ship, but he should only do so if Ferrari continues like this into the new regs next year. Only then he should see to evaluate his options, because it’s too risky to move right now.

It would be a real shame if a driver of his talent and caliber doesn’t win at least one title in his career. I think him and Max are really close in terms of skill/talent and a step above the current grid. The only differentiator is that Max has enjoyed the privilege of some really dominant/competitive cars in his career whereas Charles has not.

Totally. I agree, but part of the skill of being a F1 driver is to rule with your head and not your heart. I agree it be a devastating career if he never won a WDC. Him, Max, Russell and Lando where at the time the best drivers in junior formula its looking like maybe charles be the one who never win a WDC

[evered7]

IMO the issue is the combo of the car DNA/Charles. Hear me out before you shoot me down.

Charles is driving that way because it's the only way to make the car go fast. Give him any of the other top cars and he'll do a equally good job or better in any of the cars.

Last year the car lacked front end. Hence the front wing adjustments. This year it's not the case I believe. But car lacks a bit everywhere.

So the issue is not his feedback or his driving but rather Ferrari not able to build a great car that has pace and tire life.
Ferrari can go towards Lewis setup, Charles will still be faster.

[f1isgood]

IMO the issue is the combo of the car DNA/Charles. Hear me out before you shoot me down.

Charles is driving that way because it's the only way to make the car go fast. Give him any of the other top cars and he'll do a equally good job or better in any of the cars.

Last year the car lacked front end. Hence the front wing adjustments. This year it's not the case I believe. But car lacks a bit everywhere.

So the issue is not his feedback or his driving but rather Ferrari not able to build a great car that has pace and tire life.
Ferrari can go towards Lewis setup, Charles will still be faster.

Yeah pretty much. Charles gets the most out of the car. In the end very few drivers get close to the theoretical maximum out of the car. As much as many don't want to hear it, Lewis hasn't been one for years now while guys like Max, Charles and George are much closer in this regard.

Ferrari's technical team is to blame, nobody else.