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zoroastar wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 17:31
Nikosar wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 14:34
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21 Apr 2025, 14:25


Alonso said after the race, "We have to get used to it. It's going to be very difficult to score points all season."
This is not the first time he has said this, perhaps a hint that nothing major will come out of the factory during this season? or trying to put some pressure on the team
i mean, its sorta just common sense. even if we bring good upgrades, everyone else will bring upgrades too, and the likelihood that they'll be scoring easy points is a bridge too far unless the top teams start crashing into each other. on normal weekends only 3 points are available anyway. lets hope for more Australia haha
I don't think it's a tit for tat thing. Their floor is very basic. There should be a HUGE gain to be maid there.

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diffuser wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 23:32
zoroastar wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 17:31
Nikosar wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 14:34


This is not the first time he has said this, perhaps a hint that nothing major will come out of the factory during this season? or trying to put some pressure on the team
i mean, its sorta just common sense. even if we bring good upgrades, everyone else will bring upgrades too, and the likelihood that they'll be scoring easy points is a bridge too far unless the top teams start crashing into each other. on normal weekends only 3 points are available anyway. lets hope for more Australia haha
I don't think it's a tit for tat thing. Their floor is very basic. There should be a HUGE gain to be maid there.
yeah i would love to get a huge boost with the upgraded floor. i have just learned to not get my hopes up too much. its lead to disappointment for 2 years now :)

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diffuser wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 23:32
zoroastar wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 17:31
Nikosar wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 14:34


This is not the first time he has said this, perhaps a hint that nothing major will come out of the factory during this season? or trying to put some pressure on the team
i mean, its sorta just common sense. even if we bring good upgrades, everyone else will bring upgrades too, and the likelihood that they'll be scoring easy points is a bridge too far unless the top teams start crashing into each other. on normal weekends only 3 points are available anyway. lets hope for more Australia haha
I don't think it's a tit for tat thing. Their floor is very basic. There should be a HUGE gain to be maid there.
There won't be any upgrades from their own wind tunnel before the summer break, or maybe not at all. They had continously correlation issues in the last 3 year just like Mercedes. So i don't know why this year would be any different. If coming new parts from AM windtunnel, then is will take 2-3 months and almost May...

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they may as well bring back the amr24 at this rate. at least we know the performance is guaranteed to be better

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SSJ4 wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 00:39
they may as well bring back the amr24 at this rate. at least we know the performance is guaranteed to be better
I think it is the amr24, with a basic floor to figure out where they went wrong.

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 12:44
There won't be any upgrades from their own wind tunnel before the summer break, or maybe not at all. They had continously correlation issues in the last 3 year just like Mercedes. So i don't know why this year would be any different. If coming new parts from AM windtunnel, then is will take 2-3 months and almost May...
I know people don't feel the same way as me, but I consider it a blessing in disguise. Being 9th or 10th team in the counstructors by summer break means more wind tunnel time for Newey.

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If we could not fix the existing issue how the tunnel time will help.... we will be wasting the tunnel time again in 2026.... First they need to identify and fix the issue in 2025 car so that they can have some trust with there current tools... without improving current car, 2026 will be repeat of what we are seeing now.

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He got to work right away'
"He (Adrian Newey, ed.) is a designer of racing cars – one of the best," said the Aston Martin CEO. "From day one, we made sure that his workplace was ready. He was present at meetings about the new regulations and the concepts we were working on. In doing so, we have also set all deadlines for providing information about the development of this car. He actually started making sketches right away.".

Although Newey has plenty of time to work on 2026, Aston Martin must be careful in allocating the available resources. As a result, the future AMR26 now takes up more time in the wind tunnel. "He's in that cycle where he's designing the fundamental aspects of the car," Cowell continued. "About 90 percent of the production takes place in the factory, so we want Newey there as well. He has his office there, and everyone who walks by says that he is glued to his drawing table. He doesn't go to reunions, he doesn't respond to emails – he's just busy creating a fast car. And we all want to help him with that."

https://www.formule1.nl/nieuws/aston-ma ... ekentafel/
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diffuser wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 02:56
SSJ4 wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 00:39
they may as well bring back the amr24 at this rate. at least we know the performance is guaranteed to be better
I think it is the amr24, with a basic floor to figure out where they went wrong.
Basic is a keyword there. They are missing a big chunk of performance from the floor due to not actually understanding the concept they originally copied. That’s why the updates went nowhere and why with Newey (the ground effect architect) we can be reasonably optimistic we will make big gains with the Imola floor update.

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RedNEO wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 12:07
diffuser wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 02:56
SSJ4 wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 00:39
they may as well bring back the amr24 at this rate. at least we know the performance is guaranteed to be better
I think it is the amr24, with a basic floor to figure out where they went wrong.
Basic is a keyword there. They are missing a big chunk of performance from the floor due to not actually understanding the concept they originally copied. That’s why the updates went nowhere and why with Newey (the ground effect architect) we can be reasonably optimistic we will make big gains with the Imola floor update.
When the numbers is always wrong,and half of the season you spend to figure out where is the problem in the wind tunnel, in the simulation, in the cfd,then of course they go nowhere just like Mercedes didn't went nowhere for the first 2 year! Actually they had the biggest problem from the begging with dolphin effect. Even Newey would pull out all the hair when the simulator telling you you are 2s faster but actually you are 2 sec slower. Imola floor is to early to come from AM windtunnel and designed according to AM windtunnel data. :S

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The floor update is coming from the new tunnel. They only just signed off the floor update to be produced. The New WT has been active for almost 8 weeks or 2 months. All that time it was running the AMR25.

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RedNEO wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 13:23
The floor update is coming from the new tunnel. They only just signed off the floor update to be produced. The New WT has been active for almost 8 weeks or 2 months. All that time it was running the AMR25.
Do you have any source, all news reported are conflicting.

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Good article. We also cannot forget that Newey started two months later than everyone else, so every second is critical for 2026.

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collindsilva wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 13:26
RedNEO wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 13:23
The floor update is coming from the new tunnel. They only just signed off the floor update to be produced. The New WT has been active for almost 8 weeks or 2 months. All that time it was running the AMR25.
Do you have any source, all news reported are conflicting.
Andy Cowell is the source.
nmarques71 wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 14:03
Hi,

Well, Andy Cowell said this:

After recent difficult races, Cowell addressed Aston Martin’s struggles and their path forward, ahead of the Saudi Arabian GP. “I guess the car we’re racing at the moment was created away from our own wind tunnel,” he said.

“We are learning a lot from the measurements that we can take at the track, which is the Third World for the aerodynamicists, but we’ve got a 2025 model in our wind tunnel, the Silverstone, and the CFD data. We’re spending a lot of time looking into the correlation between the track world, wind tunnel and CFD to understand the differences that we see there.”

“And listening to the drivers and looking at the data of what the car is doing to try and piece all that together and understand what are the characteristics that we should continue to improve or start improving in order to make sure that the stopwatch stops sooner.”

When asked if the team’s current car serves as a laboratory for their new wind tunnel, Cowell agreed, saying, “Yes, I think for a group of engineers it’s important that you understand the tools that you’ve got.”

“You understand the simulations and the results from experiments that you do at the home base. And the objective with any experiment is that you mimic as best as possible the track environment.”

“And that’s what we’re trying to do. It’s trying to come up with methods and tools that enable us to create a racing car that when you put it on the track, it behaves exactly as you’d like it to.”


And from the press conference:

Q: You mentioned new tools. The new wind tunnel has been on stream for nigh on a month. When are we going to start to see the first fruits of its labour?

AC: Since the Melbourne weekend, the wind tunnel’s been in use. It’s being used for both 2026 aero development and 2025 aero development. We’ve transitioned to this tunnel, and there’s hardware coming through that we’ll see at the circuit in the coming races. People often talk about how to tell the time when you’ve got two watches – how do you tell the aero load when development work has been done in one wind tunnel and then you swap across to the next? They’ll never tell you exactly the same. But we are enjoying the new wind tunnel. It's opened our eyes to a few characteristics. But then you’ve got to do the work. If you’ve got a new test facility that gives you a clearer view, a more representative view, you’ve got to then do aero development work – you’ve go to change shapes, make parts, understand, and then make full-size components to bring to the circuit and measure in this complex environment. We’re in that process, enjoying the new tool, and look forward to making a faster race car with it.