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[f1isgood]

Regardless of the Spain TD, I think the goal should be to out-develop McLaren or at least be within touching distance by Imola otherwise move on to 2026. The upgrades HAVE to work otherwise it's so joever. Can't expect Max to keep taking risks every weekend to get pole by barely a thousandth and then play the game of no mistakes for 50 laps every race. It won't work.

[AR3-GP]

Red Bull announced an upgrade plan to catch Mclaren in Imola. So assuming that is truthful then it doesn’t depend on Spain.

[Vettel165]

Max will dominate the second part of the season. You heard it here first. The updates will work, and the TD will slow down Mclaren and also Mercedes. They will have much more problems with balance and setting up the car. Just my prediction, could be very wrong though, its a feeling I have.

[Paa]

Max will dominate the second part of the season. You heard it here first. The updates will work, and the TD will slow down Mclaren and also Mercedes. They will have much more problems with balance and setting up the car. Just my prediction, could be very wrong though, its a feeling I have.

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[f1isgood]

Max will dominate the second part of the season. You heard it here first. The updates will work, and the TD will slow down Mclaren and also Mercedes. They will have much more problems with balance and setting up the car. Just my prediction, could be very wrong though, its a feeling I have.

So will Max win the title

[Sergej]

Max will dominate the second part of the season. You heard it here first. The updates will work, and the TD will slow down Mclaren and also Mercedes. They will have much more problems with balance and setting up the car. Just my prediction, could be very wrong though, its a feeling I have.

à la Vettel 2013 ?

[Seanspeed]

Red Bull announced an upgrade plan to catch Mclaren in Imola. So assuming that is truthful then it doesn’t depend on Spain.

Assuming that is truthful? lol

What team fighting near the front isn't making plans to try and get to the top? It's a completely meaningless claim. Come on now, you've been watching F1 long enough to know this.

And they have additional incentive to not sound defeatist when they've got one of the best drivers in the history of the sport, who might well have options to leave sooner or later.

[AR3-GP]

Red Bull announced an upgrade plan to catch Mclaren in Imola. So assuming that is truthful then it doesn’t depend on Spain.

Assuming that is truthful? lol

What team fighting near the front isn't making plans to try and get to the top? It's a completely meaningless claim. Come on now, you've been watching F1 long enough to know this.

And they have additional incentive to not sound defeatist when they've got one of the best drivers in the history of the sport, who might well have options to leave sooner or later.

Red Bull is the only non-Mclaren winner. Driver, car, or whatever you want to put it down to, they are within striking distance of Mclaren. If the improvements that have been described (tire cooling, aero stability) are truthful, then yes there is the potential to fight on more even footing against Mclaren. Red Bull has more wind tunnel hours. What happens inside the windtunnel is another matter, but the potential is there to close the gap as devised by the regulations.

[ispano6]

Max will dominate the second part of the season. You heard it here first. The updates will work, and the TD will slow down Mclaren and also Mercedes. They will have much more problems with balance and setting up the car. Just my prediction, could be very wrong though, its a feeling I have.

I hope you're right, for Yuki's sake. Alpine likely will also be affected, so if Yuki can be in the mix then he can be rear gunner for Max. They couldn't utilize him in Jeddah which could have helped Max. It would be great if RB21 can be dominant like RB19 with some 1-2 finishes. Probably not likely but possibly on some tracks that Yuki is better at. Miami looks like it will be tough, but Imola may look better with the updates.

[Seanspeed]

Red Bull announced an upgrade plan to catch Mclaren in Imola. So assuming that is truthful then it doesn’t depend on Spain.

Assuming that is truthful? lol

What team fighting near the front isn't making plans to try and get to the top? It's a completely meaningless claim. Come on now, you've been watching F1 long enough to know this.

And they have additional incentive to not sound defeatist when they've got one of the best drivers in the history of the sport, who might well have options to leave sooner or later.

Red Bull is the only non-Mclaren winner. Driver, car, or whatever you want to put it down to, they are within striking distance of Mclaren. If the improvements that have been described (tire cooling, aero stability) are truthful, then yes there is the potential to fight on more even footing against Mclaren. Red Bull has more wind tunnel hours. What happens inside the windtunnel is another matter, but the potential is there to close the gap as devised by the regulations.

Ferrari have also won a race.

There's always potential, but man, you know how empty that word is in F1. It's weird seeing you buy into this rhetoric, cuz I know full well how much you know better. There's very little reason to believe that the current Red Bull organization is the same fearsome force it was even a couple years ago. The 2nd driver performance is a huge benchmark for how good the car and potential really is, and there's been no upwards trend on that at all since the end of 2023. They are more than a little behind, and Mclaren themselves will have a say in how any potential development race goes, all while being the team who has gotten upgrades the most right over the past couple seasons.

Over such a long season, Lando/Oscar would need to be absolutely embarrassing to not come out on top in the end. Red Bull is more realistically competing with Mercedes and Ferrari for 2nd best, with RB and Ferrari especially dealing with heavy inconsistency problems that will kill their chances in the end.

Of course that could magically all change with some transformative update, but the same could be said for Mercedes or Ferrari.

[AR3-GP]

Ferrari have also won a race.

They won a sprint race on a weekend with little preparation time for the others. That performance didn't translate to Sunday when everyone else dialed in.

There's always potential, but man, you know how empty that word is in F1. It's weird seeing you buy into this rhetoric, cuz I know full well how much you know better. There's very little reason to believe that the current Red Bull organization is the same fearsome force it was even a couple years ago. The 2nd driver performance is a huge benchmark for how good the car and potential really is, and there's been no upwards trend on that at all since the end of 2023. They are more than a little behind, and Mclaren themselves will have a say in how any potential development race goes, all while being the team who has gotten upgrades the most right over the past couple seasons.

Over such a long season, Lando/Oscar would need to be absolutely embarrassing to not come out on top in the end. Red Bull is more realistically competing with Mercedes and Ferrari for 2nd best, with RB and Ferrari especially dealing with heavy inconsistency problems that will kill their chances in the end.

I'm not making any promises. I'm just saying Red Bull's chances this year are not that bleak. This Newey-less, Marshall-less, car almost won 2 races in 5 rounds, after going almost 10 races at the end of last year without a sniff of a win. Progress has been made. Discussions have moved from "we don't know what is wrong", to specific areas now being upgraded race by race.

Of course that could magically all change with some transformative update, but the same could be said for Mercedes or Ferrari.

I am not ruling out that Ferrari and Mercedes will also catch Mclaren. One does not preclude the others. They can all catch Mclaren if they all do the right things. I am not as informed on the developments of those teams.

[Chuckjr]

Ferrari is in trouble. They swapped to pull rod and the similarities to this and what happened to Alonso is uncanny. I don't see them jumping forward. Merc is a larger concern imo. I think King George will be a bigger fly in the ointment than Macca. Just my opinion. I agree with some here that Red Bull will find some more speed and with the Max factor involved, they will stay solid contenders. Max is insane fast. As long as he is with the team he offers a fighting chance even with a car that's still .2-.3 slower. I think Max is that good. He reminds me in many ways of Schumacher. Just has a knack to get the most out of the car with few mistakes. Few drivers have it, but he certainly does.

[f1isgood]

Assuming that is truthful? lol

What team fighting near the front isn't making plans to try and get to the top? It's a completely meaningless claim. Come on now, you've been watching F1 long enough to know this.

And they have additional incentive to not sound defeatist when they've got one of the best drivers in the history of the sport, who might well have options to leave sooner or later.

Red Bull is the only non-Mclaren winner. Driver, car, or whatever you want to put it down to, they are within striking distance of Mclaren. If the improvements that have been described (tire cooling, aero stability) are truthful, then yes there is the potential to fight on more even footing against Mclaren. Red Bull has more wind tunnel hours. What happens inside the windtunnel is another matter, but the potential is there to close the gap as devised by the regulations.

Ferrari have also won a race.

There's always potential, but man, you know how empty that word is in F1. It's weird seeing you buy into this rhetoric, cuz I know full well how much you know better. There's very little reason to believe that the current Red Bull organization is the same fearsome force it was even a couple years ago. The 2nd driver performance is a huge benchmark for how good the car and potential really is, and there's been no upwards trend on that at all since the end of 2023. They are more than a little behind, and Mclaren themselves will have a say in how any potential development race goes, all while being the team who has gotten upgrades the most right over the past couple seasons.

Over such a long season, Lando/Oscar would need to be absolutely embarrassing to not come out on top in the end. Red Bull is more realistically competing with Mercedes and Ferrari for 2nd best, with RB and Ferrari especially dealing with heavy inconsistency problems that will kill their chances in the end.

Of course that could magically all change with some transformative update, but the same could be said for Mercedes or Ferrari.

Second driver performance relative to Max has been more or less constant. Perez was only marginally worse in 2024 than in 2022 and 2023 but the issues never looked big because Red Bull just had a much bigger margin to the third best team in 2022 than in 2023 in qualifying. The pace advantage in the race also shrunk from 2023 onwards so it was harder to farm DOTD by starting P7 and getting P2 or P3. In fact, I'd argue Perez in 2023 wasn't much worse than Perez in 2022. The gaps just shrunk between cars and more teams were in contention behind VER.

Also, with all due respect to other teams like Ferrari and Mercedes, only Red Bull have won titles this regulation and they will, regardless of McLaren winning both titles this year come out as the most successful team of this cycle. People can have their opinion and always make good arguments that Red Bull fell off while McLaren grew stronger but it's an argument that's easily defended by the simple fact that Red Bull since mid-2021 have had the least tunnel time and CFD runs while McLaren spending a lot of time in midfield with far more resources than Red Bull managed to actually put the pieces together. And for this reason, I still think Red Bull has a better chance of fixing their issues unlike the other two.

[K1Plus]

According to Autoracer, red bull employees believe McLaren will be "nowhere" from Barcelona due to the TD

https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-aggior ... td-mclaren

By that logic we could have Mercedes and Red Bull fighting, if Mercedes also make good upgrades.
Sounds like some typical sensationalism. Maybe it brings the field together, not spread it out.

[bluechris]

According to Autoracer, red bull employees believe McLaren will be "nowhere" from Barcelona due to the TD

https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-aggior ... td-mclaren

By that logic we could have Mercedes and Red Bull fighting, if Mercedes also make good upgrades.
Sounds like some typical sensationalism. Maybe it brings the field together, not spread it out.

Yeah, 3+ years Mercedes trying to understand how to do it and except the GeloFrontRear wings they haven't found anything.
RB is RB no matter how many guys left the team and to me is the only power with Max in the wheel that can disturb the MCJelo team.