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A new episode of news from the Italian media:
Despite having new and promising specifications, in Bahrain tests, the SF25 displayed an extremely narrow operating range. The car seemed to perform well only under very specific conditions: ideal track temperature, absence of crosswinds, and a very specific fuel load. Any alteration to these parameters and the car would completely lose its balance. Simulations failed to replicate what was happening on the track. This is no small feat in modern F1; the correlation between the simulator and reality is critical. If what the wind tunnel or CFD shows doesn't reflect the car's actual behavior, it enters a loop of constant adjustments that rarely lead to stable solutions. Alex Brundle, after observing Hamilton's car on board, described the SF25 as a „difficult beast to tame... “. What seemed like a simple loss of grip in some corners was actually a deeper symptom. Problems with weight distribution, excessive sensitivity to tailwinds, and structural rigidity that caused understeer on entry and oversteer on exit. Each lap was a different experience for the driver, forcing them to reinvent their driving style in real time. This not only affects performance but also confidence, and without confidence, a driver doesn't attack: he only survives. The problem worsens in qualifying in this format, where everything is decided in a tenth of a second an unstable car is lethal. Hamilton and Leclair, both with different driving styles, had to negotiate with a car that offered no guarantees in the most critical area: the apex of the corner. This translated into errors, lockups, track exits, and a systematic loss of time. And when we talk about drivers of this caliber, we know the problem isn't with them, it's with the mechanical system that limits them.

Furthermore, leaked technical data from Maranello suggests that the SF25 has a torsional stiffness issue; in other words, the chassis doesn't respond with the expected elasticity when the car passes through areas of high lateral load. This not only complicates the setup adjustment but also interferes with the car's active aerodynamics, disrupting the ideal air flow and generating downforce loss just when it's most needed. During the Australian GP, all of this was starkly exposed. In wet conditions, the car was even more unstable, Hamilton was trapped behind Albon for much of the race, unable to apply the pace we know he has, and Leclair in an attempt to avoid further damage refused to change the front wing after contact at the start further compromising his performance in high-speed corners.

The SF25 car is a concept that sought to optimize mid and high-speed cornering, reduce rear tire degradation and increase lateral rigidity without compromising traction. However, these technical decisions had consequences, and one of the most troubling ones manifested itself in Hamilton's hands. The problem stems from the fact that the SF25 setup with the front axle with the new pull-road suspension requires a very precise tire warm-up process. While Leclair has demonstrated an instinctive ability to generate temperature quickly and aggressively in the first corners, Hamilton has constantly struggled to reach that optimal operating window. The result is immediate under steer on corner entry, forcing him to take more conservative lines and consequently losing critical tenths of a second. This isn't simply a matter of failing to adapt, it's a multi-layered technical phenomenon.

The SF25's weight distribution is more skewed toward the rear, seeking to maximize traction on corner exit. But this penalizes the front axle when the asphalt is cold or when the driver doesn't apply enough vertical load in the opening meters. Hamilton, accustomed to cars that reacted more predictably and allowed for quicker adjustments from the steering wheel, now finds himself struggling with a chassis that demands surgical aggression from the first braking. Telemetry confirms this tension: at circuits like Saudi Arabia and Melbourne, Hamilton loses time primarily in low-speed corners, especially in the initial combinations where a large part of the lap's performance is determined. This translates into a generalized pace problem but also into enormous emotional frustration because it's not just a matter of not being fast but of not understanding exactly why the car isn't responding. The team has tried to alleviate the situation with different suspension setups, balance adjustments, and engine map changes, but each modification brings new side effects. In modern F1, where setup windows are so narrow, changing one thing can unbalance another. And this is exacerbated when the driver is still developing confidence with the car, as is Lewis's case.

Furthermore, the SF25's power steering system is firmer and less progressive than that of the Mercedes W15 represents another obstacle. Hamilton has mentioned on several occasions that he needs to better sense the feedback from the front axle in order to anticipate the limits of grip. Without that sensitivity, his driving style, which has always been based on fine-tuned slip control, is neutralized. The final straw came in qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix, where, despite achieving a solid lap, the data showed he was still 3/10 off the potential time he could have set before aborting his second attempt. And although he managed to advance in the race, every maneuver was a battle against the car rather than against his rivals. All of this highlights a critical point: it's not enough to have a competitive car if that car doesn't respond to the driver's DNA. In this case, Ferrari has built an effective car but with a character that seems tailor-made for Charles Leclerc.

Ferrari is working on a progressive restructuring plan for the SF25, designed to better adapt to both Hamilton's driving style and the season's new technical challenges. Starting with the Amelia Romana Grand Prix, the team will introduce a series of significant updates. The first package will focus on a revised floor seeking to improve air flow to the diffuser and increase rear-end stability in low-speed corners. This change is specifically aimed at alleviating the problem of front-end understeer, one of Lewis's biggest complaints so far. In addition, a new rear suspension specification is being developed. The idea is to increase the car's operating range in variable track conditions, something that has affected Hamilton more than Leclair, particularly in sessions with sudden changes in track temperature. There is also talk of modifying the brake by wire mapping and the ERS energy management system in order to give Hamilton a more linear response in the braking and acceleration zones, where he has traditionally made the difference.

Lewis Hamilton, on the other hand, is forced to adapt to modify decades of instinct to fit into a machine that until now hasn't suited him. Every great Formula 1 story has its turning point, and although the recent chapters in the relationship between Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari have been fraught with uncertainty, the outcome has yet to be written. Because if the seven-time world champion has proven anything throughout his career, it's that he doesn't give up in the face of adversity, and in this case,e the tunnel may be full of twists and turns but at the end of it a technical and strategic glimmer already looms that could change the narrative. Lewis Hamilton, known for his almost superhuman ability to adapt and transform adversity into motivation, is beginning to show signs of figuring out the SF25. What seemed like a relationship doomed to disappointment is slowly beginning to mutate into a technical and emotional symbiosis. It's not just about tweaking a setup or adapting his driving style, it's about rebuilding trust from the ground up, something few drivers in F1 history have achieved with such a level of media intensity and internal pressure. The key to this awakening hasn't been magical but meticulously forged. Hamilton has begun to modify his approach, incorporating elements of Leclerc's driving style, especially in braking and corner transition management. For the first time since his arrival in Formula 1, Hamilton is changing his DNA as a driver, and he's doing so not out of necessity but out of conviction. He set aside certain automatisms acquired during his golden era at Mercedes to embrace a more analytical, almost surgical approach to the SF25. This evolution speaks not only to his intelligence as a competitor but also to his humility in accepting that even with seven titles, there's always room to learn. In recent weeks, he's intensified his work in the simulator at Maranello, actively participating in the development of the new setup. He's even proposed changes to the communication interface with his track engineer, seeking to replicate some of the technical language he used at Mercedes. Adaptation isn't just mechanical; it's also cultural, and Lewis knows he must build a foundation of trust from within if he wants the team to respond to his needs in critical moments. Beyond technical development, there's a strategic component that's also evolving. Ferrari plans to redesign its decision-making system during the race. A rapid real-time analysis cell has been formed with engineers dedicated exclusively to evaluating alternative scenarios during the weekends. This measure aims to avoid mistakes like the one in Australia, where a misreading of the weather conditions cost important points. Hamilton has insisted that these types of tools can make the difference between a victory and a forgettable result. As for the internal environment, although tensions haven't disappeared, there are signs of rebuilding. Vasseur has publicly reinforced his commitment to Hamilton, assuring that the entire team is aligned to make this alliance work. Joint sessions have even been held with Leclair and Hamilton to align technical criteria, something that hasn't happened since preseason...
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atanatizante wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 15:06
A new episode of news from the Italian media:
....
Furthermore, leaked technical data from Maranello suggests that the SF25 has a torsional stiffness issue; in other words, the chassis doesn't respond with the expected elasticity when the car passes through areas of high lateral load. This not only complicates the setup adjustment but also interferes with the car's active aerodynamics, disrupting the ideal air flow and generating downforce loss just when it's most needed....
I am not sure the person who penned this article is technically aware or whether he cooked up a porridge by pulling technical terms from what he heard/read elsewhere.
Torsional stiffness doesn't include suspension, it's something to do with the structure of the car. And no car (whether road/race/rally/formula1) will be good if it has 'elasticity' in its structure. A car can have very soft suspension and a super torsionally stiff chassis, such that kerb ride and traction from slow corners is maximized for optimal grip (for example in Monaco). In fact even if there is a small drop in torsional rigidity, it will screw up the 'feedback' that the driver gets through his form-fitted seat, about what the car is doing.
So I am not sure what 'elasticity' this guy is talking about. Perhaps he is referring to suspension stiffness and calling a super stiff suspension as 'not elastic enough'.
And then he goes and uses words like 'active aerodynamics' - something which isn't present in this regulation era and is going to be present only 2026 onwards.
Sorry, I lost interest to read that article further once the journalist started talking mumbo jumbo like this.

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atanatizante wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 15:06
A new episode of news from the Italian media:
Despite having new and promising specifications, in Bahrain tests, the SF25 displayed an extremely narrow operating range. The car seemed to perform well only under very specific conditions: ideal track temperature, absence of crosswinds, and a very specific fuel load. Any alteration to these parameters and the car would completely lose its balance. Simulations failed to replicate what was happening on the track. This is no small feat in modern F1; the correlation between the simulator and reality is critical. If what the wind tunnel or CFD shows doesn't reflect the car's actual behavior, it enters a loop of constant adjustments that rarely lead to stable solutions. Alex Brundle, after observing Hamilton's car on board, described the SF25 as a „difficult beast to tame... “. What seemed like a simple loss of grip in some corners was actually a deeper symptom. Problems with weight distribution, excessive sensitivity to tailwinds, and structural rigidity that caused understeer on entry and oversteer on exit. Each lap was a different experience for the driver, forcing them to reinvent their driving style in real time. This not only affects performance but also confidence, and without confidence, a driver doesn't attack: he only survives. The problem worsens in qualifying in this format, where everything is decided in a tenth of a second an unstable car is lethal. Hamilton and Leclair, both with different driving styles, had to negotiate with a car that offered no guarantees in the most critical area: the apex of the corner. This translated into errors, lockups, track exits, and a systematic loss of time. And when we talk about drivers of this caliber, we know the problem isn't with them, it's with the mechanical system that limits them.

Furthermore, leaked technical data from Maranello suggests that the SF25 has a torsional stiffness issue; in other words, the chassis doesn't respond with the expected elasticity when the car passes through areas of high lateral load. This not only complicates the setup adjustment but also interferes with the car's active aerodynamics, disrupting the ideal air flow and generating downforce loss just when it's most needed. During the Australian GP, all of this was starkly exposed. In wet conditions, the car was even more unstable, Hamilton was trapped behind Albon for much of the race, unable to apply the pace we know he has, and Leclair in an attempt to avoid further damage refused to change the front wing after contact at the start further compromising his performance in high-speed corners.

The SF25 car is a concept that sought to optimize mid and high-speed cornering, reduce rear tire degradation and increase lateral rigidity without compromising traction. However, these technical decisions had consequences, and one of the most troubling ones manifested itself in Hamilton's hands. The problem stems from the fact that the SF25 setup with the front axle with the new pull-road suspension requires a very precise tire warm-up process. While Leclair has demonstrated an instinctive ability to generate temperature quickly and aggressively in the first corners, Hamilton has constantly struggled to reach that optimal operating window. The result is immediate under steer on corner entry, forcing him to take more conservative lines and consequently losing critical tenths of a second. This isn't simply a matter of failing to adapt, it's a multi-layered technical phenomenon.

The SF25's weight distribution is more skewed toward the rear, seeking to maximize traction on corner exit. But this penalizes the front axle when the asphalt is cold or when the driver doesn't apply enough vertical load in the opening meters. Hamilton, accustomed to cars that reacted more predictably and allowed for quicker adjustments from the steering wheel, now finds himself struggling with a chassis that demands surgical aggression from the first braking. Telemetry confirms this tension: at circuits like Saudi Arabia and Melbourne, Hamilton loses time primarily in low-speed corners, especially in the initial combinations where a large part of the lap's performance is determined. This translates into a generalized pace problem but also into enormous emotional frustration because it's not just a matter of not being fast but of not understanding exactly why the car isn't responding. The team has tried to alleviate the situation with different suspension setups, balance adjustments, and engine map changes, but each modification brings new side effects. In modern F1, where setup windows are so narrow, changing one thing can unbalance another. And this is exacerbated when the driver is still developing confidence with the car, as is Lewis's case.

Furthermore, the SF25's power steering system is firmer and less progressive than that of the Mercedes W15 represents another obstacle. Hamilton has mentioned on several occasions that he needs to better sense the feedback from the front axle in order to anticipate the limits of grip. Without that sensitivity, his driving style, which has always been based on fine-tuned slip control, is neutralized. The final straw came in qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix, where, despite achieving a solid lap, the data showed he was still 3/10 off the potential time he could have set before aborting his second attempt. And although he managed to advance in the race, every maneuver was a battle against the car rather than against his rivals. All of this highlights a critical point: it's not enough to have a competitive car if that car doesn't respond to the driver's DNA. In this case, Ferrari has built an effective car but with a character that seems tailor-made for Charles Leclerc.

Ferrari is working on a progressive restructuring plan for the SF25, designed to better adapt to both Hamilton's driving style and the season's new technical challenges. Starting with the Amelia Romana Grand Prix, the team will introduce a series of significant updates. The first package will focus on a revised floor seeking to improve air flow to the diffuser and increase rear-end stability in low-speed corners. This change is specifically aimed at alleviating the problem of front-end understeer, one of Lewis's biggest complaints so far. In addition, a new rear suspension specification is being developed. The idea is to increase the car's operating range in variable track conditions, something that has affected Hamilton more than Leclair, particularly in sessions with sudden changes in track temperature. There is also talk of modifying the brake by wire mapping and the ERS energy management system in order to give Hamilton a more linear response in the braking and acceleration zones, where he has traditionally made the difference.

Lewis Hamilton, on the other hand, is forced to adapt to modify decades of instinct to fit into a machine that until now hasn't suited him. Every great Formula 1 story has its turning point, and although the recent chapters in the relationship between Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari have been fraught with uncertainty, the outcome has yet to be written. Because if the seven-time world champion has proven anything throughout his career, it's that he doesn't give up in the face of adversity, and in this case,e the tunnel may be full of twists and turns but at the end of it a technical and strategic glimmer already looms that could change the narrative. Lewis Hamilton, known for his almost superhuman ability to adapt and transform adversity into motivation, is beginning to show signs of figuring out the SF25. What seemed like a relationship doomed to disappointment is slowly beginning to mutate into a technical and emotional symbiosis. It's not just about tweaking a setup or adapting his driving style, it's about rebuilding trust from the ground up, something few drivers in F1 history have achieved with such a level of media intensity and internal pressure. The key to this awakening hasn't been magical but meticulously forged. Hamilton has begun to modify his approach, incorporating elements of Leclerc's driving style, especially in braking and corner transition management. For the first time since his arrival in Formula 1, Hamilton is changing his DNA as a driver, and he's doing so not out of necessity but out of conviction. He set aside certain automatisms acquired during his golden era at Mercedes to embrace a more analytical, almost surgical approach to the SF25. This evolution speaks not only to his intelligence as a competitor but also to his humility in accepting that even with seven titles, there's always room to learn. In recent weeks, he's intensified his work in the simulator at Maranello, actively participating in the development of the new setup. He's even proposed changes to the communication interface with his track engineer, seeking to replicate some of the technical language he used at Mercedes. Adaptation isn't just mechanical; it's also cultural, and Lewis knows he must build a foundation of trust from within if he wants the team to respond to his needs in critical moments. Beyond technical development, there's a strategic component that's also evolving. Ferrari plans to redesign its decision-making system during the race. A rapid real-time analysis cell has been formed with engineers dedicated exclusively to evaluating alternative scenarios during the weekends. This measure aims to avoid mistakes like the one in Australia, where a misreading of the weather conditions cost important points. Hamilton has insisted that these types of tools can make the difference between a victory and a forgettable result. As for the internal environment, although tensions haven't disappeared, there are signs of rebuilding. Vasseur has publicly reinforced his commitment to Hamilton, assuring that the entire team is aligned to make this alliance work. Joint sessions have even been held with Leclair and Hamilton to align technical criteria, something that hasn't happened since preseason...
But Hamilton is washed up. How can these factors above be?
On a serious note, this says a lot about the symbiosis Charles has with the SF25. He's using it like a third arm or third eye. Some how manipulating it around its weaknesses to get pace out of it. Very impressive.

Hamilton's issues are actually good for the team. As expected he knows what a championship winning car should feel like. Max does as well when we hear him complaining about a car that he can still take the podium.

The power steering one is new to me. But makes sense. Kimi Raikonen also complained about the steering in the Ferrari when he joined; if i remember correctly.

What is puzzling is how the team apparently messed up on the correlation. It just doesn't sound real that their competence could fall so much. Would they not be aware of all these factors that can affect the translation from studio to track?
Or is it that in finding the limits of these regs, they bring the car to a region of performance close to the ground, where the slightest of things throws off the car, and ever more precise suspension and platform control is required?

Very intriguing stuff, but I think the article also creates more pressure by having expectations for Imola. If the car or Lewis underwhelms again it just makes matters worse for the fans.
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ringo wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 19:51
But Hamilton is washed up. How can these factors above be?
I mean, are you seriously thinking that article is gospel?

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There is so much wrong with that article I wouldn't even know where to begin...

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atanatizante wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 15:06
A new episode of news from the Italian media:
Despite having new and promising specifications, in Bahrain tests, the SF25 displayed an extremely narrow operating range. The car seemed to perform well only under very specific conditions: ideal track temperature, absence of crosswinds, and a very specific fuel load. Any alteration to these parameters and the car would completely lose its balance. Simulations failed to replicate what was happening on the track. This is no small feat in modern F1; the correlation between the simulator and reality is critical. If what the wind tunnel or CFD shows doesn't reflect the car's actual behavior, it enters a loop of constant adjustments that rarely lead to stable solutions. Alex Brundle, after observing Hamilton's car on board, described the SF25 as a „difficult beast to tame... “. What seemed like a simple loss of grip in some corners was actually a deeper symptom. Problems with weight distribution, excessive sensitivity to tailwinds, and structural rigidity that caused understeer on entry and oversteer on exit. Each lap was a different experience for the driver, forcing them to reinvent their driving style in real time. This not only affects performance but also confidence, and without confidence, a driver doesn't attack: he only survives. The problem worsens in qualifying in this format, where everything is decided in a tenth of a second an unstable car is lethal. Hamilton and Leclair, both with different driving styles, had to negotiate with a car that offered no guarantees in the most critical area: the apex of the corner. This translated into errors, lockups, track exits, and a systematic loss of time. And when we talk about drivers of this caliber, we know the problem isn't with them, it's with the mechanical system that limits them.

Furthermore, leaked technical data from Maranello suggests that the SF25 has a torsional stiffness issue; in other words, the chassis doesn't respond with the expected elasticity when the car passes through areas of high lateral load. This not only complicates the setup adjustment but also interferes with the car's active aerodynamics, disrupting the ideal air flow and generating downforce loss just when it's most needed. During the Australian GP, all of this was starkly exposed. In wet conditions, the car was even more unstable, Hamilton was trapped behind Albon for much of the race, unable to apply the pace we know he has, and Leclair in an attempt to avoid further damage refused to change the front wing after contact at the start further compromising his performance in high-speed corners.

The SF25 car is a concept that sought to optimize mid and high-speed cornering, reduce rear tire degradation and increase lateral rigidity without compromising traction. However, these technical decisions had consequences, and one of the most troubling ones manifested itself in Hamilton's hands. The problem stems from the fact that the SF25 setup with the front axle with the new pull-road suspension requires a very precise tire warm-up process. While Leclair has demonstrated an instinctive ability to generate temperature quickly and aggressively in the first corners, Hamilton has constantly struggled to reach that optimal operating window. The result is immediate under steer on corner entry, forcing him to take more conservative lines and consequently losing critical tenths of a second. This isn't simply a matter of failing to adapt, it's a multi-layered technical phenomenon.

The SF25's weight distribution is more skewed toward the rear, seeking to maximize traction on corner exit. But this penalizes the front axle when the asphalt is cold or when the driver doesn't apply enough vertical load in the opening meters. Hamilton, accustomed to cars that reacted more predictably and allowed for quicker adjustments from the steering wheel, now finds himself struggling with a chassis that demands surgical aggression from the first braking. Telemetry confirms this tension: at circuits like Saudi Arabia and Melbourne, Hamilton loses time primarily in low-speed corners, especially in the initial combinations where a large part of the lap's performance is determined. This translates into a generalized pace problem but also into enormous emotional frustration because it's not just a matter of not being fast but of not understanding exactly why the car isn't responding. The team has tried to alleviate the situation with different suspension setups, balance adjustments, and engine map changes, but each modification brings new side effects. In modern F1, where setup windows are so narrow, changing one thing can unbalance another. And this is exacerbated when the driver is still developing confidence with the car, as is Lewis's case.

Furthermore, the SF25's power steering system is firmer and less progressive than that of the Mercedes W15 represents another obstacle. Hamilton has mentioned on several occasions that he needs to better sense the feedback from the front axle in order to anticipate the limits of grip. Without that sensitivity, his driving style, which has always been based on fine-tuned slip control, is neutralized. The final straw came in qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix, where, despite achieving a solid lap, the data showed he was still 3/10 off the potential time he could have set before aborting his second attempt. And although he managed to advance in the race, every maneuver was a battle against the car rather than against his rivals. All of this highlights a critical point: it's not enough to have a competitive car if that car doesn't respond to the driver's DNA. In this case, Ferrari has built an effective car but with a character that seems tailor-made for Charles Leclerc.

Ferrari is working on a progressive restructuring plan for the SF25, designed to better adapt to both Hamilton's driving style and the season's new technical challenges. Starting with the Amelia Romana Grand Prix, the team will introduce a series of significant updates. The first package will focus on a revised floor seeking to improve air flow to the diffuser and increase rear-end stability in low-speed corners. This change is specifically aimed at alleviating the problem of front-end understeer, one of Lewis's biggest complaints so far. In addition, a new rear suspension specification is being developed. The idea is to increase the car's operating range in variable track conditions, something that has affected Hamilton more than Leclair, particularly in sessions with sudden changes in track temperature. There is also talk of modifying the brake by wire mapping and the ERS energy management system in order to give Hamilton a more linear response in the braking and acceleration zones, where he has traditionally made the difference.

Lewis Hamilton, on the other hand, is forced to adapt to modify decades of instinct to fit into a machine that until now hasn't suited him. Every great Formula 1 story has its turning point, and although the recent chapters in the relationship between Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari have been fraught with uncertainty, the outcome has yet to be written. Because if the seven-time world champion has proven anything throughout his career, it's that he doesn't give up in the face of adversity, and in this case,e the tunnel may be full of twists and turns but at the end of it a technical and strategic glimmer already looms that could change the narrative. Lewis Hamilton, known for his almost superhuman ability to adapt and transform adversity into motivation, is beginning to show signs of figuring out the SF25. What seemed like a relationship doomed to disappointment is slowly beginning to mutate into a technical and emotional symbiosis. It's not just about tweaking a setup or adapting his driving style, it's about rebuilding trust from the ground up, something few drivers in F1 history have achieved with such a level of media intensity and internal pressure. The key to this awakening hasn't been magical but meticulously forged. Hamilton has begun to modify his approach, incorporating elements of Leclerc's driving style, especially in braking and corner transition management. For the first time since his arrival in Formula 1, Hamilton is changing his DNA as a driver, and he's doing so not out of necessity but out of conviction. He set aside certain automatisms acquired during his golden era at Mercedes to embrace a more analytical, almost surgical approach to the SF25. This evolution speaks not only to his intelligence as a competitor but also to his humility in accepting that even with seven titles, there's always room to learn. In recent weeks, he's intensified his work in the simulator at Maranello, actively participating in the development of the new setup. He's even proposed changes to the communication interface with his track engineer, seeking to replicate some of the technical language he used at Mercedes. Adaptation isn't just mechanical; it's also cultural, and Lewis knows he must build a foundation of trust from within if he wants the team to respond to his needs in critical moments. Beyond technical development, there's a strategic component that's also evolving. Ferrari plans to redesign its decision-making system during the race. A rapid real-time analysis cell has been formed with engineers dedicated exclusively to evaluating alternative scenarios during the weekends. This measure aims to avoid mistakes like the one in Australia, where a misreading of the weather conditions cost important points. Hamilton has insisted that these types of tools can make the difference between a victory and a forgettable result. As for the internal environment, although tensions haven't disappeared, there are signs of rebuilding. Vasseur has publicly reinforced his commitment to Hamilton, assuring that the entire team is aligned to make this alliance work. Joint sessions have even been held with Leclair and Hamilton to align technical criteria, something that hasn't happened since preseason...
Sorry but this seems like a lot of rubbish. When the author cannot even spell Leclerc properly i just cant bother. And what he is describing doesn’t align with most people’s observations of the problem with the ferrari car. The ferrari has too much oversteer on entry. Just watch Hamilton through turn one in Jeddah and look how he corrects for oversteer and loses time there.



Leclerc on the other hand expects it to happen and you don’t even see any steering correction. I’ve noticed that nany other times too this year. Hamilton with multiple steering inputs and leclerc with just one decisive input. This author seems to run on pure speculation and to me what he says makes absolutely no sense.

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On the topic of the engine braking and using the tools in the car. I find that superbikes give a better illustration of what is applied in F-1, as we do not get much detail from the teams; for casual fans at least. Fans involved in competitive racing and open wheel racing probably know a lot more on brake balance and differential settings and use.



I can imagine how intimate the driver needs to be with his engine and tools to really get the most out of it.

An informative video on brake balance, maps and brake by wire:

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Hammerfist wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 21:20
Leclerc on the other hand expects it to happen and you don’t even see any steering correction. I’ve noticed that nany other times too this year. Hamilton with multiple steering inputs and leclerc with just one decisive input. This author seems to run on pure speculation and to me what he says makes absolutely no sense.
There has been so much (gigabytes) analysis and pictures and text about what is wrong with SF-25, but so little is written about why Hamilton isn't able to change his driving style to suit the car.
Compared to the 'peak hamilton' era, cars in ground effect era are heavier, have larger wheelbase and have more wheel track. Plus on top of all this, there is the much higher sensitivity to yaw/pitch/roll for the amount of downforce on offer, to minor changes to the shape and speed of the parcel of air under the car (how stable the platform is). Let's park this info for a second.

Now, depending on the tarmac, the nature of what's behind and ahead of a corner, the kind of corner radius, the state of tyres etc, there will be situations when a driver has to prioritize entry and sacrifice exit, or vice versa. In some conditions, whether it's one style or another, there is no difference; ie there is zero tradeoff between priorotizing entry vs exit.

UNless there is an absolute need to prioritize exit, Hamilton is a default 'late braking', 'hard braking' driver who prefers gaining in entry at the cost of exit. THis means the platform of the car gets disturbed with pitch and roll much more than a driver (say LeClerc) who is softer with brakes and prefers 'an early corner' prioritizing exit.

View this in tandem with the first paragraph above, and we have the ground effect car of today with more weight, more rotational inertia and larger wheelbase, suffering more platform distrubance than pre-2021 cars. This makes Hamilton's car very unstable in the entry phase of the corner, asking him to lift off from throttle or delay throttle application at exit, losing large chunks of time.

THis is my simplistic view of what's happening with Hamilton - he is unable to alter his 'default instinct late braker driving style' and suffers as a result, because, unfortunately that kind of platform disturbing driving style is exactly what the ground effect car doesn't like.

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Interesting parts from Rosario Giuliana at the Race (AR):

Upgrades:
"Sources suggest Ferrari won’t bring any significant update packages to the next two races at Miami and Imola."


Confirmation the Bahrain floor was planned before season and not to fix Ride Height:
"In Bahrain a fortnight ago, Ferrari introduced its first upgrade package of the year, headlined by a new floor.

The goal was greater aerodynamic efficiency and improved high-speed downforce. While the changes helped, they weren’t designed to fix the SF-25’s rear-end instability - a trait described as a 'lazy' rear end that first emerged in round one.

Notably, the Bahrain package had already been in the works before the season began, forming part of a pre-established development trajectory rather than a direct response to early-season struggles."


Some greater speculation later in the article:
"The Bahrain updates have done little to fully cure the car's fundamental weaknesses. Part of the issue appears mechanical - likely involving suspension geometry and weight distribution...The aim is to develop a new floor that maintains downforce at greater ride heights."

I hope the later is not true as if we can't run low, we won't challenge, so you might as well pivot away to 26'.


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Space-heat wrote:
28 Apr 2025, 10:27
The aim is to develop a new floor that maintains downforce at greater ride heights."

I hope the later is not true as if we can't run low, we won't challenge, so you might as well pivot away to 26'.
Yep. Unfortunately, the damage was done over the winter. They won’t publicly admit, but eyes will quickly go to, 26’, most likely, post Barcelona.

On a side note, for all Hamilton’s issues, he’s actually been afforded this year of transition to understand, learn and prep for, 26’. Both championships have gone.

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Hammerfist wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 21:20

Sorry but this seems like a lot of rubbish. When the author cannot even spell Leclerc properly i just cant bother.
Most of those articles are machine translated, so probably Leclerc got lost in translation.

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ringo wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 22:08
On the topic of the engine braking and using the tools in the car. I find that superbikes give a better illustration of what is applied in F-1, as we do not get much detail from the teams; for casual fans at least. Fans involved in competitive racing and open wheel racing probably know a lot more on brake balance and differential settings and use.


I can imagine how intimate the driver needs to be with his engine and tools to really get the most out of it.

An informative video on brake balance, maps and brake by wire:
Let's consult someone who went through the same transition.

And so, in an Automoto.it interview, Bottas was asked how difficult it is to adapt to the Ferrari engine.
“It’s not that difficult,” he said.

“I don’t find the differences that big, apart from something minor regarding driveability.

“The most complex thing is to manage the adjustments, as the nomenclatures are different. Once you learn the basics, you manage without too much effort.”

But, is a change of driving style needed to get the best out of the Ferrari engine?

“Minimal,” Bottas replied, “especially in terms of shifting and engine braking.

“But everything is adjustable, and you can find a solution that makes you feel comfortable.”
So there we have it, changes are minimal. Straight from no nonsense Bottas who isn't trying to fool anyone.

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Space-heat wrote:
28 Apr 2025, 10:27
Interesting parts from Rosario Giuliana at the Race (AR):

Upgrades:
"Sources suggest Ferrari won’t bring any significant update packages to the next two races at Miami and Imola."


Confirmation the Bahrain floor was planned before season and not to fix Ride Height:
"In Bahrain a fortnight ago, Ferrari introduced its first upgrade package of the year, headlined by a new floor.

The goal was greater aerodynamic efficiency and improved high-speed downforce. While the changes helped, they weren’t designed to fix the SF-25’s rear-end instability - a trait described as a 'lazy' rear end that first emerged in round one.

Notably, the Bahrain package had already been in the works before the season began, forming part of a pre-established development trajectory rather than a direct response to early-season struggles."


Some greater speculation later in the article:
"The Bahrain updates have done little to fully cure the car's fundamental weaknesses. Part of the issue appears mechanical - likely involving suspension geometry and weight distribution...The aim is to develop a new floor that maintains downforce at greater ride heights."

I hope the later is not true as if we can't run low, we won't challenge, so you might as well pivot away to 26'.


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That's actually good news.
It means that there is more room for progress if the last update was pre planned.
If it were to fix the issues and it barely did anything, then I would be more worried.
There is now more time and resources to effectively work on a fix for the rear end issue.
For Sure!!

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Cs98 wrote:
28 Apr 2025, 14:26
ringo wrote:
27 Apr 2025, 22:08
On the topic of the engine braking and using the tools in the car. I find that superbikes give a better illustration of what is applied in F-1, as we do not get much detail from the teams; for casual fans at least. Fans involved in competitive racing and open wheel racing probably know a lot more on brake balance and differential settings and use.


I can imagine how intimate the driver needs to be with his engine and tools to really get the most out of it.

An informative video on brake balance, maps and brake by wire:
Let's consult someone who went through the same transition.

And so, in an Automoto.it interview, Bottas was asked how difficult it is to adapt to the Ferrari engine.
“It’s not that difficult,” he said.

“I don’t find the differences that big, apart from something minor regarding driveability.

“The most complex thing is to manage the adjustments, as the nomenclatures are different. Once you learn the basics, you manage without too much effort.”

But, is a change of driving style needed to get the best out of the Ferrari engine?

“Minimal,” Bottas replied, “especially in terms of shifting and engine braking.

“But everything is adjustable, and you can find a solution that makes you feel comfortable.”
So there we have it, changes are minimal. Straight from no nonsense Bottas who isn't trying to fool anyone.
That's why Bottas has a race seat.. oh wait!
Drivers are different. Driving style and operation level.
You are basically saying Hamilton is trying to fool people and in any car Charles is going to be 6 tenths to a second faster. OK we get it.
As I say, let's hear the theories at the end of the season to explain why all of a sudden Lewis is on the pace, or why Ferrari shifted the car away from Charles and made him slower to favor Lewis, because this is the most predictable explanation from F1 fans who are so willing to punch down.
Bottas is entitled to his own opinion. So is Ralf Shumacher, Martin Brundle, and everyone else who "understands" what's going. These same people will flip like a switch when things turnaround and it doesn't fit their theories.

It's a race weekend. I do not expect much difference this weekend. Maybe just more consistency from Hamilton.
He's going to need more time to adjust. Half a season as Carlon Sainz says; who happens to be an active driver.
For Sure!!

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many explanations and excuses as to why a multiple world champion is struggling to drive an F1 car