Toyota withdraws from Formula One

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Does it not sound like the Toyota racing team was given two options (or two obligations, maybe):

1. Get a top line driver
2. Take down the budget cap

"Or get out of F1!" Said the big guns in the boardroom.

So Howett had to fight fiercely against cost-cutting, and later Toyota tried to sign Kimi Raikkonen. When both failed, they had to pull out.

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What do you do when you spend more and produce less time and again? Look around and realize, OSB... Other Sports Beckon. They do well in other forms of motorsports. I mean, wouldn't you ditch the ugly stepchild and focus on the breadwinners if it came down to it?

Sad to see another constructor go only to be replaced by another customer team, but maybe the new teams can do a better job with less? Some have to step aside for others to have a chance...



Who here thinks that the anyone would actually use the Toyota engine if given the opportunity next year? My guess is that even if the engine program stuck around, they would practically have to give them away to the customer teams. But again, what does everyone here think?
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gator wrote:What do you do when you spend more and produce less time and again? Look around and realize, OSB... Other Sports Beckon. They do well in other forms of motorsports. I mean, wouldn't you ditch the ugly stepchild and focus on the breadwinners if it came down to it?

Sad to see another constructor go only to be replaced by another customer team, but maybe the new teams can do a better job with less? Some have to step aside for others to have a chance...



Who here thinks that the anyone would actually use the Toyota engine if given the opportunity next year? My guess is that even if the engine program stuck around, they would practically have to give them away to the customer teams. But again, what does everyone here think?
depends if they bring in the rule to limit everyone to the same power output.
then you are looking at other engine factors, mpg, cooling, weight etc.
if power is level the toyota may be an option.
but if the power is not limited then no one will use them.

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http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 4345.shtml

Former employees speaking out.

these former employees confirms my speculations and it makes sense. Toyota is the highest spender of all the teams in F1 and they've continued to spend like NO TOMORROW. The end result has never been impressive at anyone's standard. So of course, they pull the plug. any logical person would.

Oh well, goodluck to Trulli, Glock and Kobayashi.

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It is good to see that insiders start putting the blame on those who really are responsible for the Toyota desaster. F1 is not operating in a vacuum but is a highly competitive economical contest as well. To employ a president over a period of six years, have him spend the highest budget in F1 and never get a single win is beyond comprehension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howett

One look at the CV of the guy would tell you that he had no clue of racing. If he had won the championship after three years one could have argued that he was a gifted manager like Flabby. But he didn't even win a race. #-o

I'm wondering how many people must have left in despair for all the sh°t that must have gone down there over the years.
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Toyota saying goodbye at the factory..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIXYuvZUYZk[/youtube]

This is great =D>
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGxi7L_lheo[/youtube]
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Looks sad...

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Shame, that was actually a nice looking car towards the end. Up there with the brawn imo.

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Interesting news from from Joe Saward's Blog http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/11/ ... f-cologne/
And while all this was going on I got a call at some point from a little bird in Cologne who told me that the staff of Toyota have been told that their entry has been sold on to someone else – and that some of them are going to be asked to stay on to build and run their car for a man called Stefan from Serbia. Apparently the government down there is paying for “Stefan Grand Prix” to become a reality.

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http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=353315


It is official now. Toyota have made 500 full time people at their Cologne factory redundant as of 30th November. The most contracts will run long into 2010 due to high employment protection in Germany. The factory will be kept and re used for Lexus and Toyota performance upgrades and a few motor sport projects. 150 full time engineers out of 650 will be kept for that purpose. Another 150 contractors and part time personnel will be terminated as well. So Toyota will radically shrink from 800 to 150 heads at Cologne.
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Puh-leeze. Some "posts" (if that were posts) were removed.
Ciro

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And why does WB always get the last word? Unfair, unfair, it's not fair! :cry:
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80473?

more on topic:

Stefan GP is still making moves to aquire Toyota F1 tech. It almost killed me to see that joke of a Toyota prez in picture again.
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Sorry, X, it was not my intention. It was the last post that did not referred to other posters and the conversation was getting too heated to spend half an hour editing posts.

Usually I'm not that "brutal", I edit.

This time I considered it was too much work. I got four reports from the 3 or 4 persons in this forum that send reports about other posters, all in the same morning... I still wonder how they can still wonder about the responses they get. Say thanks, people, for not being a journalist: you would be without a job by now. The idea of a good post (for me) is one that attracts interesting responses and/or makes people to stop in their tracks and think. Dictums are... well, soooo boring.

WB, many members read Autosport, I believe there is no need to repost every news they publish about the current thread: I respectfully think that resorting to copy/paste posts with rumours spreaded in other new services is what "creates" that kind of responses, but I admit cheefully that I might be wrong. Of course, I'm not forbidding anything, it's up to you.

BTW, I agree with some members on the idea that invoking a "secret" report to give credibility to my posts will not give them any credibility, but, hey, that's me again.

On a side note, I've never ever edited a post because it referred to my qualities. I restrict name calling, except when you refer to mods.

That is, you can call me moron, retarded, stupid, moderator or any other insulting word: maybe I am such things but I don't care (which probably is a good proof of me being one).

So, what if I open a thread where you can vent your hormones, ;) called "The I-would-like-to-use-Ciro-as-a-punching-bag thread"?

This way some members could insult me instead of insulting the (very predictable) oponents they have chosen to have... ;)

Now, please, back to Toyota, if you're so kind (if there is anything to say about a team that is already out).
Ciro

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Ciro Pabón wrote:BTW, I agree with some members on the idea that invoking a "secret" report to give credibility to my posts will not give them any credibility, but, hey, that's me again.
Although the criticism is completely off topic in this thread I will briefly comment on it. You can transfer it to the thread where it belongs if you care to keep the discussion of the issue coherent.

The "secret" resource restriction agreement (RRA) is not a report, it is part of the Concord Agreement that runs to 2012. It is absolutely vital to the future running of F1 and that is why it is relevant to people working in F1 and to fans. It was at the core of the break away discussion in summer and only by finding a compromise for resource restrictions has the break away been avoided eventually. Without some resource restriction F1 would find it increasingly difficult to attract private teams to fill the grid which has been emptied of high budget manufacturer teams lately.

The interest in resource restriction is particularly true for engineers because their employment opportunities and conditions will be shaped by that agreement for the foreseeable time.

I did not invoke a secret report to give credibility to my posts. I quoted an industry participant who shed some light on the details of an agreement that undisputably exists. Are you saying that Norbert Haug or Ross Brawn lie when they refer to the RRA? Please read the following quotes that explicitly refer to the RRA.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47431
Haug is confident that with the carmaker now set to benefit from a share of commercial revenues, and the effects of the resource restriction plans agreed between teams from 2010, its target will be achievable.

“We have much, much better circumstances these days in Formula 1. A team gets more money from the commercial rights holder, there is a new agreement in place obviously, so this limits the spend of the teams and we will spend much less money than we used to do in the past.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=352300
Brawn Grand Prix offers an altogether different explanation: "The background to this decision are the new terms and conditions for Formula 1. The 'Resource Restrictions' (the new name for Max Mosley's budget cap) set by FOTA and FIA effectively limit expenditure for the design, construction and running of the racing cars. In addition, there will be a significantly higher income available for a Formula 1 team generated by the commercial rights of the racing series following the signing of the new Concorde Agreement."
I hope these quotations make it clear that an RRA does in fact exist. Before you make such unfounded and uninformed criticism as above you better read what was posted in the other thread. I think that you will have to make some corrections to your above post if you do.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)