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[Fil]

i'm sure everyone aims for a neutral, stable car. as goony says, this is not possible at all times for the cars & drivers - especially as these guys push at and over the limit at incredible speeds, and have to deal/react instantly.

i think the middle ground here is that some drivers deal with various imperfections better. Lewis is apparently known for excelling at dealing with oversteer, whilst Jenson deals with understeer better.
Loosely you might say they have this inherent driver-style, but its more about what they're more comfortable dealing with beyond a perfect setup.

i'd guess when it comes to setup, Lewis would initially start with a setup more oversteery (which he has confidence in working with), and slowly peg it back towards a better neutral setup. Jenson would start with understeery (again, more confidence than a oversteery setup to work with), and over a weekend retune towards a faster neutral.

[marcush.]

utter nonsence

goony

we could dwell on this forever and I would love to believe I could tweak anything into a winning machine over the cause of a weekend and I agree that you can do a lot
in that regard ,still I insist there are limits with setup but then where does setup end and car layout start?
putting on a new floor which is moving the centre of pressure is this setup or car layout?
is moving the front wheels 30mm back by changing wishbone angles a setup change still?
maybe we just talk a different language here.
My idea of a setup change is :springs,dampers,tyre pressure,rideheights,angle of attack of a given set of wings,moving of ballast.
Putting on a new floor, wing,change of wheelbase is a configuration change and not what i had in mind in my statement.

[compo]

[PlatinumZealot]

utter nonsence

goony

Thank you my boss!! I HAVE PREACHED THIS FOR DECADES (ok months)!!

[compo]

[ringo]

So the prospective drivers only get to test fit the current car then?
And what of norbert haug, is it possible he has seen the Mp4 25 and will spill the beans to the newly acquired brawn team. Or he doesn't have that level of security clearance at Mclaren?

[compo]

[Pandamasque]

Following this I just can't get these two questions out of my head. Only one of them is technical though. Goony, do factory workers get free BritGP tickets and do TagHeurs jump on water if you throw them into the lake?

Also you mentioned the the new dodgy aero tweak of 2010 that would make the triple diffuser look old school. Is that something you think exclusive with mclaren? Are you more or less aware of what the competitors are doing?

[xpensive]

More often than not, it's the guys on the floor, in this case laminators, who knows the truth about most things in life.

[Fil]

More often than not, it's the guys on the floor, in this case laminators, who knows the truth about most things in life.

and sometimes even the meaning of it! [-o<


2010 sounded like a scary season already with 4 silver arrows & no Kimi, but now with the Dead Zone.. 2010 is sounding very sinister!

[WhiteBlue]

can someone with a bit of aero background give us a solid speculation on that dead zone?

[WhiteBlue]

I mean enough to get an idea what kind of new wizzardrie to expect.

[xpensive]

I think it's an aerodynamic area, yet unchartered, where Bernoulli doesn't apply, dynamic pressure is zero. Hence a dead zone.

[compo]

[compo]