Mclaren Mercedes MP4-25

[horse]

I'm sorry about this, but curiosity has got the better of me. Two questions:

1/ goony, are you allowed to be using this message board? I mean, surely there is some confidentiality clause that applies to you, no? You may have answered this question before, if so, I'm sorry. Anyway, if I was your boss, I'd be pretty unhappy with you, frankly.

2/ This dead zone business - this sounds like some sort of active bodywork if

you only want down force in the corners on the straights you want it as smooth as possible

Surely this kind of thing is immediate banning, possible disqualification. I just can't imagine how you can control such an effect in a passive way. It would be good to know, but surely you shouldn't be telling us. Maybe someone from another team is reading this? Or from your own???

No offence, by the way. Being a Jenson fanboy I would just rather learn about these things at the first race when he blitzes the field with his new gimmick car.

[astracrazy]

paint buck is what they use to try out different colour schemes and will probably be used as a show car later
goony

unless they are changing the current colour scheme, would this not be the same as previous years?

And goony: Does the MP4-25 (from what you have seen) look any thing like the MP4-24? And without saying which, have any parts been more or less carried over? Just interested to know if it is completely different or if it is a brawn/red bull.

From what you are saying (regarding deadzone) we could have another Brawn on our hands at the start of the season.

[PlatinumZealot]

Deadzone, I like how that sounds. I have some Ideas but I have to think about it..

Goony aren't you afraid that other teams can catch on to this deadzone..lol (Well at the same time it would be good to know that the different F1 teams read F1-technical.)

[compo]

[Fil]

Last pre-season all teams knew of the DDD, just not all believed it would pass strutineering so didn't develop it initially..

The F1 industry is highly incestuous - plenty of factory-staff switch between teams in the off-season (as proven by goony looking to move on to Lotus/STR/Brawn recently), Team developments will be move by word of mouth with moving staff, in addition to moles within!
This is even more relevant with the lay-offs and switches to contract factory work lately.

[ISLAMATRON]

It does not have to be moveable aero, merely designed to feed the DDD in yaw but not in the straights... same with the rear wing.

[ringo]

Just imagine what the other teams have pioneered themselves. I think adrian newey has something up his sleeves too.
The dead zone thing makes no sense though if it works differently in turns. aerodynamically the air speed is always taken as the heading of the car. At an instant in time in a turn air speed is considered tangential to the curvature, basically along the instantaneous linear velocity of the car I suppose.
A side draft is the only time where i see there being an aerodynamic difference on an element on the car. We could say the element is anisotropic, i don't know if that dead zone element will be effective.

[xpensive]

The dead zone thing makes no sense though if it works differently in turns. aerodynamically the air speed is always taken as the heading of the car. At an instant in time in a turn air speed is considered tangential to the curvature, basically along the instantaneous linear velocity of the car I suppose.
A side draft is the only time where i see there being an aerodynamic difference on an element on the car. We could say the element is anisotropic, i don't know if that dead zone element will be effective.

I'm sure you are correct ringo, otherwise it would make sense to set up the car at an angle in the windtunnel, right?

If goony actually works at McLaren, I'm not sure xactly how much the laminators are let in on aerodynamic secrets either?

[Fil]

If goony actually works at McLaren, I'm not sure xactly how much the laminators are let in on aerodynamic secrets either?

workmates talk around the water-cooler.. so all we have to find out is if McLaren has a water-cooler, and we'll know if laminators find these things out!

logic!

[xpensive]

Ah, the Dead Zone might be a misunderstanding, it's just being last in line to the water-cooler?

[i70q7m7ghw]

paint buck is what they use to try out different colour schemes and will probably be used as a show car later

Interesting, they don't use any kind of CAD for that at McLaren?

[horse]

It does not have to be moveable aero, merely designed to feed the DDD in yaw but not in the straights... same with the rear wing.

Ah, now I'm really confused....

So goony reckons this will give downforce in corners and reduce drags in straights. But because the floor is generating most of the downforce (and drag?) this is the area where this tech would be applied (is that right?). Now, @ISLAMATRON, you're saying that the DDD will be designed only to work in yaw. Is this not extremely dangerous - what if you need to swerve - will the downforce immediately come on line? And if it's not, surely the car would have no reliable balance.

[thestig84]

If goony actually works at McLaren, I'm not sure xactly how much the laminators are let in on aerodynamic secrets either?

workmates talk around the water-cooler.. so all we have to find out is if McLaren has a water-cooler, and we'll know if laminators find these things out!

logic!

My brother works there and finds out pretty much ziltcho!! Granted he is upstairs in the I.T section where no one even talks to each other throughout the day!! Only time he has been a little bit privy to info is the race support he has done in mission control.

I hope Goony is right and Mclaren have unearthed a ground breaking idea! Ill ask my brother to listen out for any mention of this dead zone.

[compo]

[gibells]

Guys. This is McLaren we're talking about. Better chance of it being legalised if it was a J-dampened floated floor traction control devise.

The only question I have is: Will we call it ZoneGate or DeadGate?




EDIT: sorry, had a rush of negative blood to the head.