Facts are that Max was prosecutor, judge, & jurist. The council don't get any evidence in advance and are expected to to weigh up complex technical arguments based on an hour or two of oral advocacy. The council are largely non-technical people elected due to the honour of representing their national associations rather than for their technical capabilities to assess the rights and wrongs of a case. Of course helpful Max summed up the case and the non-technical council members ended up voting based on his summing up.WhiteBlue wrote:If you replace history with prejudice or opinion you are about right.
and:WB wrote:
I agree with the FIA that cheating like the race fixing in Singapore 2008 must be punished and I still believe that Briatore is responsible and guilty.
Someone wiser than I once wrote something to the effect that:The procedural problems in the Briatore case stem from the fact that Briatore's strategy was obviously from the beginning to get the FIA involved in procedural conflicts. Normally all interested parties are eager to be represented at a disciplinary hearing. Briatore apparently thought that the FIA couldn't discipline him after he had resigned as an executive director of Renault F1 and made no effort to show up or submit materials to the FIA prior to the meeting.
That is understandable and I can agree with that. I just happen to accept the 19.September 2009 WMSC meeting's finding that Briatore was guilty. The procedural conflicts shown in the Paris court ruling do not negate that finding for me. I conclude that most of the procedural shortcomings were the result of Briatore's obstruction of justice. Cleverly done but not a legal concern for me.mcdenife wrote:I personally .... believe in basic concept that a person any person, regardless of the why's or wherefores of his life, is innocent until proven guilty.
Even after reading this:WB wrote:
I conclude that most of the procedural shortcomings were the result of Briatore's obstruction of justice.
or this:-not proving that Flavio was guilty, save by using an anonimous and secret witness to whom Flavio's lawyers were not given access
??-asking Briatore to appear only by email on the Friday preceeding the Monday''s hearing of the MSWC, without explaining ti him the charges, the possible consequences of the hearing or providing the available evidences that may be used against him
This claim is obviously constructed. Briatore knew weeks before the meeting that the Singapore race fixing was on the agenda and his actions or non actions as Renault F1 team principal would be subject to the hearing. He was in fact at that time personifying the accused party and he was well aware that by not participating and answering to the counsil his reputation would seriously suffer. He was also aware that his legal status had changed short term by his resignation and that Renault would firmly put the blame to him. There is no justification to denie the FIA WMSC cooperation with the hearing. Resigning from the post of director would not invalidate his responsibility in the cheating that was the subject of the hearing. All the requests to Renault had obviously passed his desk. So claiming a lack of invitation or preparation is nothing but using a legal technicality as a pretense.mcdenife wrote:??-asking Briatore to appear only by email on the Friday preceeding the Monday''s hearing of the MSWC, without explaining ti him the charges, the possible consequences of the hearing or providing the available evidences that may be used against him
If Briatore had participated in the meeting and the preparation of the meeting that defect would probably not have occurred.mcdenife wrote:-not proving that Flavio was guilty, save by using an anonimous and secret witness to whom Flavio's lawyers were not given access
The courts disagree. RegardlessWB wrote:
This claim is obviously constructed.
Your wordsWB wrote:
If you replace history with prejudice or opinion you are about right.
This is quoted out of context. You do yourself no honor by distorting previous posts.mcdenife wrote:Your wordsWB wrote:
If you replace history with prejudice or opinion you are about right.
@WB You still have not commented out on the SZ' 'chronology of events' post.Very curious to hear you opinion on that....mcdenife wrote: Its official, you really have nothing coherent to say on, this do you? Incidentally, it was remarkable how you managed to conveniently sidestep SZ' 'chronology of events' post. We are yet to hear a comment, response, refutal, rebuttal, explanation.....something...anything, from you about it. Or was that too intelligently laid out for your ramblings?
as long as that person is not Flavio Briatore.WB wrote:
That is understandable and I can agree with that.
And you have noneWB wrote:
This is quoted out of context. You do yourself no honor by distorting previous posts.
attack the post, not the poster!mcdenife wrote:And you have noneWB wrote:
This is quoted out of context. You do yourself no honor by distorting previous posts.
That post is not an original source. I don't feel the need to comment on all opinion pieces posted here. Since you are asking I feel it is badly written. If you want to compare it with a good blog I would recommend Joe Saward's various entries to his blog at http://joesaward.wordpress.com/ . Joe is an excellent F1 journalist who writes very good articles and his opinion on Briatore is pretty much identical with my view.vall wrote: @WB You still have not commented out on the SZ' 'chronology of events' post.Very curious to hear you opinion on that....
Which can only be a good thing so we don't see repeats of previous fiascos.WhiteBlue wrote:the onus is now on the FIA to plug the loop holes that allowed him to trick them.