USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

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xpensive wrote:I would have spared myself the entire bother by going with the standard Xtrac/Ricardo transmission
and invested the time saved in new suspension technology.
what do you mean by new suspension technology? :wtf:

jeff Ryan seems to be one of the more innovative guys in dampers :::ken Anderson has a serious damper background with PENSKE ;he had good insight into hydraulic suspension concepts wheb at PACWEST .so to me this particular area is very well covered in USF1..

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I refer to the latest electromagnetic/bump-recovery systems.
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xpensive wrote:I refer to the latest electromagnetic/bump-recovery systems.
And what is that?

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hmm ,to all of my knowledge both uses for a system like that are not allowed in F1,
namely active roll and pitch control nor generation of electrical power through something else than the alternator connected to the engine.

or was there something I missed?

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No, i'm pretty sure that would fall under the topic of active suspension, and thus has been banned.
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congrats for reaching 100 pages!
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scarbs wrote:Yup those pictures on the wall pretty much confirm the use of coil springs. I can’t recall the last F1 car to use coil spring front suspension, I mean its use even petered out on the rear some five years ago. I guess we’d have to look at around the active era, when the rocker\damper\springs were moutned atop the chassis, so what 15 years ago..?

I can see the attractiveness of a transverse gearbox in terms of length, effectively the gearbox can be shorter, although it will be wider. With the larger fuel cell the shortness would be good to maintain wheelbase. If it weren’t for DDDs it would be Ok for aero too, as much of its bulk would be in the shadow of the engine. However the DDD needs space for the floor to rise up before the axle line, which is exactly where the transverse box sits. Of course clever design might optimise its shape for the DDD, but conceptually I’d say its not ideal.

Looking at the full car CAD image again, you can make out a wider extension to the side of the gearbox (colours browny gold in the CAD pic), you can see the upper deck of the DDD running past it. You could gain several inches of diffuser volume without this.
They won't be running coils up front. The packaging benefits of torsion bars are so well known to the entire racing community and packaging is so important in F1. Yes I saw the picture on the wall but I just don't believe they'll run front coils.How can you tell the bars aren't in the middle of bellcrank.
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cooper-climax wrote:Interesting insight into USF1's (possible) current schedule. From here.. http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=es&tl=en
"Probably on Friday if it were all closed and the announcement would" Remohí shot, though he said he does not know when contracts may be closed. If completed on the addition of the USF1 Pechito February 15 would be the Crash Test to begin on 19 three-day test. Since March 7, the car would sail to go to Bahrain.
Crash testing on the 15th does seem to be leaving it a little late. Presumably they are building up the first chassis and crashing the second to save some time. Fine if everything works out, but I can't imagine that it would be a teams first choice.
USF1 is already crash testing
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USF1 is already crash testing
Link please.
The only crash test I know they have done, was the nose they did at Cranfield Impact Centre sometime in the week beginning Mon 4th Jan. That is not required by the FIA and would only have been done in preparation for 16.2 "Frontal test" which is performed with the nose on the tub. Before the first track tests. The car will have to pass all the load, intrusion and impact tests, basically sections 16 to 18 of the Tech regs.
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Pierce89 wrote:
scarbs wrote:Yup those pictures on the wall pretty much confirm the use of coil springs.
They won't be running coils up front. The packaging benefits of torsion bars are so well known to the entire racing community and packaging is so important in F1. Yes I saw the picture on the wall but I just don't believe they'll run front coils.How can you tell the bars aren't in the middle of bellcrank.
Oh come on, "Type 1" is retro, coil-springs, machined 6000-Alu parts, transverse gearbox, and yes, I love it!
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xpensive wrote: Oh come on, "Type 1" is retro, coil-springs, machined 6000-Alu parts, transverse gearbox, and yes, I love it!
As would I.

As xpensive said earlier, just imagine what would happen if this turns out to be a reasonably fast car. That could cause quite the shakeup in F1.
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btw, it appears that our favorite team is no longer called USF1, at least according to the FOM website. They've removed the "F1" from both USF1 and LotusF1, and even removed their logos. See here. So now they're just "US". :lol:

Bernie :roll:

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just a small issue with that front rocker arrangement ....in the pics one can see the damper unit standing perfectly upright directly under the bearing axis of the rocker....so the vertical link going down to the bottom is pulling onto a seconary rocker on the bottom pushing the lower damper eye upwards? this seems to be a neat little idea and also a possible ways to incorporate torsion springs very low in the car ....if they went as far as doing that.

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Pup wrote:btw, it appears that our favorite team is no longer called USF1, at least according to the FOM website. They've removed the "F1" from both USF1 and LotusF1, and even removed their logos. See here. So now they're just "US". :lol:

Bernie :roll:
It always has said "US", at least for the past couple of months.
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The two springs also slope inward to the centre line of the car. I am trying to see if they connect to the rockers at the top or the bottom. :-k
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