USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

[segedunum]

It's all too late and far too academic now. If they haven't completed a crash test (smashing up the same nose we've seen for weeks is not a crash test) and, as far as we know, haven't even assembled a complete car by now then they simply aren't going to make the first race (seven weeks away), let alone do any testing. They will then find it hard to impossible to gain any traction to stay in the sport and they'll simply burn through any remaing cash they have. I still can't see any credible sponsor list for them either.

We should really be able to draw a line under this tin-pot outfit now, and possibly that of Campos Meta. I can see Virgin having a lot of problems as well, although they might actually have a car, and if they can't hit the ground running in the first race then they're going to burn through a lot of money in the next few months as they try and establish themselves and iron out problems.

[FW17]

RacecarEngineer

1. we are hearing that the USF1 Type 1 will roll out / fire up on Monday - bit sketchy though
about 4 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/Racecarengineer


Too bad there is nothing more to validate this

[cooper-climax]

According to Racecar Engineering on twitter.

"we are hearing that the USF1 Type 1 will roll out / fire up on Monday - bit sketchy though"

http://twitter.com/Racecarengineer

Have to say it seems unlikely, although it does tie in with a comment Lopez made a couple of weeks ago about a team launch on the 25th. However, in that same quote he said that they would be testing in Valencia.

[Roger the knife]

Does anyone have the exact legal position of teams that do not make it to the first race, do they get fined, punished in other ways, or are they completely disqualified from the championship.

[FW17]

Does anyone have the exact legal position of teams that do not make it to the first race, do they get fined, punished in other ways, or are they completely disqualified from the championship.

Donington Park got out a 17 year contract and nothing happened, Toyota got out of the 2010 without trouble. So why worry about a USF1, nothing is going to happen even if they dont show up.

[Roger the knife]

Does anyone have the exact legal position of teams that do not make it to the first race, do they get fined, punished in other ways, or are they completely disqualified from the championship.

Donington Park got out a 17 year contract and nothing happened, Toyota got out of the 2010 without trouble. So why worry about a USF1, nothing is going to happen even if they dont show up.

Yes, but they are not intending to return, my question is that if any of the teams miss the first round, does this negate their entry for the entire championship, and it's permanent good byee

[Pandamasque]

...punished in other ways...

Max is not running the show any more.

[cooper-climax]

The only thing I can find in the Sporting regs, is a commitment to contest all the races. I'd imagine that the details of what is required at each event, and the penalties are layed out in the Concorde Agreement along with the other financial and legal bits. Of course, the Concorde is confidential.

[FW17]

Does anyone have the exact legal position of teams that do not make it to the first race, do they get fined, punished in other ways, or are they completely disqualified from the championship.

Donington Park got out a 17 year contract and nothing happened, Toyota got out of the 2010 without trouble. So why worry about a USF1, nothing is going to happen even if they dont show up.

Yes, but they are not intending to return, my question is that if any of the teams miss the first round, does this negate their entry for the entire championship, and it's permanent good byee

F1 is all about its 'Show' as it is being referred to now. USF1 or any other team's return after an absence in the first race it is going to be political and not contractual. If they help they 'Show' with a huge fan base and good connections to people within the FIA or other potential business interests then the whole thing is going to be swept under the carpet. On the other hand if some people did not get their BJ two times then they could end up with a 100 million fine.

FOM and FIA never use the same scale to measure two identical scenarios.

[dp35]

Looks like Monday's news will be a not surprising driver announcement, and not likely anything else.

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... f1-monday/

[Roger the knife]

RacecarEngineer

1. we are hearing that the USF1 Type 1 will roll out / fire up on Monday - bit sketchy though
about 4 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/Racecarengineer


Too bad there is nothing more to validate this

I think PW is referring to rolling out the Barbie onto the loading deck for a cook out

[Professor]

Interesting thing about the transverse 'box idea: The change gears in F1 transaxles have been getting narrower and narrower, partly because of better materials, surface treatments, and design tools, and partly because input torque has dropped each time engine displacement has been reduced. That's why they could switch back to longitudinal layout, because the stack of ratios got short enough to fit between the clutch and the differential, rather than hanging over on the other side as in VWs, Porsches, and classic Hewlands. I'm just guessing, but what I think they might have found is that Emco can make gears narrow enough that even positioning them transversely won't bother the rear aerodynamics much. And that has to be really skinny since the differential flanges in current F1 designs are only about 90mm apart. One report says that Ferrari had to increase their car's wheelbase by 150mm (6 inches!) compared to '09, which was already pretty long. Being able stay shorter could be a big win, giving a lighter, stiffer, and more nimble car. Another interesting question is how much of the car, or its concept anyway, carried over from the Falcon IRL car that many of the same designers worked on. The pictures of the raw castings for that car look like they were probably for a transverse design. Fascinating, as you say. I'm really looking forward to see how this plays out--for all the new teams really.

I don't know much about the internals of gearboxes, but I know that many of you do. Does this make sense to you mechanical engineers?

Source http://www.usf1formula1.com/2010/01/usf ... lood1.html

[ISLAMATRON]

engine torque is significantly down since the last V-10 days, that would allow them to use smaller gears

[timbo]

engine torque is significantly down since the last V-10 days, that would allow them to use smaller gears

I think they are already using as small as they possibly can.

[Professor]

engine torque is significantly down since the last V-10 days, that would allow them to use smaller gears

I think they are already using as small as they possibly can.

Probably so Timbo, but they must be much smaller than they were in the last F1 transverse gearbox (Ferrari 1997?).